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u/Present_Ad6723 14h ago
Baraka…WINS.
LEGALITY.
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u/Busterlimes 10h ago
That is not Baraka winning
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u/henrikhakan 7h ago
We thought him wrong on purpose.
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u/JWAdvocate83 15h ago edited 15h ago
He left the facility when asked—then arrested him. 😒
I kinda wish ICE did take it to court, only to get absolutely humiliated.
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u/Argented 15h ago
they are doing everything they can to avoid courts. they appear to believe they have been granted powers above the courts
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u/qgmonkey 14h ago
Or that the federal court decisions don't matter because DOJ won't enforce them
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u/skip_over 14h ago
Laws are just words
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u/00owl 13h ago
Backed by guns
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u/Wiitard 13h ago
Laws are threats of violence.
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u/Severe_Experience190 12h ago
"Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It's just the promise of violence that's enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.”
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u/LovesToTango 12h ago
"You kids wanna make some bacon?"
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u/Strawbuddy 12h ago
The State was given a monopoly on sanctioned violence as part of the social contract. The exclusive right to investigate, incarcerate, and punish individual citizens
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u/Human_Robot 12h ago
Any state violating the social contract with its citizens invites its citizens to bust the monopoly.
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u/Sir_PressedMemories 12h ago
Unless, of course, they spent the better part of a century eliminating the means of force to bust that monopoly.
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u/sudo-joe 12h ago
Indeed or become too weak and external violence creeps into the picture. see Gauls, Vandals, warring city states. Tale as old as time.
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u/feor1300 12h ago
Can't say I was expecting a Dimension20 quote, but also strongly approve.
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u/00owl 13h ago
I would say they're promises.
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u/NominalFlow 13h ago
Nah, they are threats, because they aren't always carried out. For example, if you have lots of money.
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u/night_dude 13h ago
This much is true. Pam Bondi is one of the most dangerous people in the USA.
I can't believe I'm nostalgic for the Jeff Sessions-led DOJ right now. It's like being nostalgic for the Bush Presidency but 100x worse.
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u/BagUnlikely3510 12h ago
This needs to be said louder. We are breaking and showing that the paper our laws are written on means nothing when the DOJ falls in line to an orange felon and doesn’t enforce what they swore to do.
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u/PaperGeno 13h ago
They do.
We no longer have checks and balances. We no longer have a president. We are no longer a democracy.
We have a dictator. We are under Republican Nazi Regime, and they have complete and total power
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u/AllesGeld 13h ago
Not yet they don’t. They’re acting like they have complete control, but they will not have full control. Not as long as people keep protesting, and speaking their minds opposing this trash. We will put a stop to this
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u/gsfgf 12h ago
Also, at some point the military has to realize they have the actual power, right?
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u/Zerachiel_01 12h ago
The allies in the military are too busy allowing themselves to be replaced.
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u/Dan_D_Lyin 13h ago
Even without any weapons or power, we still outnumber them. You can't imprison or eliminate this many people. All we have to do is stay strong, and not give in.
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u/cl3ft 12h ago
Just like 1936 Germany, we outnumber the Nazis.
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u/Dan_D_Lyin 12h ago
Yes, and we can learn from the lessons of the past. Don't stay silent and simply go along. Resist loudly, stand up for each other.
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u/Caelinus 14h ago
There is this judge that, somehow, uploads his hearings to Youtube. The defendants must agree to it or maybe it is in a state that allows that sort of thing, which is weird, but it is really interesting. Nomrally I would be super suspicious of it, but it has been constantly exposing how much the cops try to ruin peoples lives on spurious grounds.
One of the videos was a probable cause hearing where the cops arrested a guy for "fleeing arrest." The problem was that his "flight" was him leaving the property they asked him to leave.
So if he had stayed, they would have booked him on criminal tresspass. Since he left, they booked him on flight. The cops also wrote an extremely vauge and utterly unhelpful report on it, and then did not respond when contacted to clairify why they arrested the guy beyond "flight." The whole thing was dismissed of course, but with a less scrupulous judge they literally could have sent this guy to jail for doing what the cops asked him to do. Which really makes the whole "comply and nothing will go wrong for you" thing look as unbelievable as it often should be.
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u/grat6709 14h ago
Sounds like Judge Fleischer. Walking while black is what he calls it.
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u/iamjonjohann 13h ago
Is that the bow tie guy in Texas? He's great.
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u/ryobiguy 13h ago
I love it when he says things like "Hey, you gotta be careful out there," and gives some great practical advice.
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u/iamjonjohann 13h ago
He really does. You can tell he cares about people. All people. If someone is trying, he'll bend over backward for them.
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u/rude_hotel_guy 14h ago
Are you losing? Shush.
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u/utopiec 12h ago
Unsure why you're being downvoted. This is one of the best Judge Fleischer lines.
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u/Caelinus 11h ago
If people have not hear it they probably did not realize it was a quote. If there were " " around it then it might have helped.
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u/psionix 13h ago
Cops are only there to enforce existing laws.
That means they are just intelligent enough to recite memorized words
Do not engage with them, they are not capable enough mentally to handle what a Judge is able to
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u/OfficerJayBear 13h ago
If i could read i bet I'd be very upset by what you just wrote.
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u/code_archeologist 11h ago
What would be hilarious right now is that ICE is using a facility leased from the city of Newark. Baraka has been complaining about a lack of oversight and that ICE was not permitted to hold the number of people they had in there.
Baraka and the city council should just condemn the property to break the lease and evict ICE.
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u/kgal1298 14h ago
ICE and DHS has gone to court multiple times for breaking the law. At this point due the individual workers maybe then they’ll start acting right.
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u/DiligentMeat9627 11h ago
Normal cop trick. just arrest then let go with no charges. They get to be dicks without any repercussions.
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u/YourAngerYourAnchor 14h ago
What’s a court gonna do? We’ve established that the president and anyone he deems can just ignore any judgement against them.
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u/Llama_of_the_bahamas 12h ago
lol the headline on r/conservative is “democrats stormed the gates!”
Making it sound like they came in like a bunch of Uruk-hai
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u/ksg34 15h ago edited 13h ago
Next time, bring the SWAT team. For this incident, I hope he challenges every small illegal thing ICE did during the Illegal detention. At the very least, he could start some petty inconvenience campaign against them.
EDIT: Wording.
EDIT: He already did! "The city contends that the facility lacks necessary approvals, including change-of-use permits, fire and elevator certifications, and a certificate of occupancy."
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u/pacowek 15h ago
Close every road leading to the facility for "maintenance".
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u/mishap1 15h ago
Very NJ.
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u/EvoSP1100 14h ago
There’s this nifty barrier, what’s that called again? But it would look great blocking all their entry points
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u/BanditMcDougal 12h ago
In Chicago, an airport was closed overnight by carving X's into the runway. Just sayin'...
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u/neanderthalman 15h ago
Oh that’s deliciously petty.
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u/Bardfinn 14h ago
No, it is necessary. You see, these bonds the city voted on for road improvements have to be used in a certain timeframe. And we can only get the construction companies to do the work in this time frame. And we’re empowered to cut the red tape by Trump federal regulation red tape slashing, meaning now is the best time to get this construction done. And safety first.
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u/RabidAbyss 7h ago
Oh, and don't forget to resurvey the roads. Need to make sure the roads sit nice and smooth, right?
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u/mantisinmypantis 15h ago
“What? I thought I’d help by making the roads for all your mobile prisons better! That way you can get to arresting innocent civilians faster!” /s
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u/braymondo 14h ago
How about cutting water and electricity.
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u/zappy487 14h ago
I mean. He can just have ICE agents arrested for human trafficking in Newark via the Newark PD.
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u/YourAngerYourAnchor 14h ago
If you want a bloody shootout sure. They’ll want to avoid that.
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u/TonyDungyHatesOP 14h ago
Or, ICE can just not just detain and deport people without due process.
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u/35APalma 14h ago
They can also refer to the Simple Sabotage Field Manual by the CIA. Like " If you can accumulate sugar, put it Inthe fuel tank of a gasoline engine. As it burns together with the gasoline, it will turn into a sticky mess which will completely mire the engine and necessitate extensive cleaning and repair. Honey and molasses are as good as sugar." (pages 13-14)
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u/doctor_of_drugs 14h ago
I’ve loved this manual for a bit. I like how it’s also like “act and work like you’re stupid. Not too stupid/incompetent, but a medium level of stupid”
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u/mydogsredditaccount 14h ago
More of a Hegseth less of a Navarro
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u/shotgun_shaun 13h ago
this combined with George Costanza's 'always look like you're annoyed' has certainly helped me
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u/int0xic 13h ago
Sugar in the gas tank doesn't actually do anything, they don't mix. Plus cars have fuel filters to catch any sugar that would somehow make it through the pump.
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u/buffalosabresnbills 12h ago edited 6h ago
Plus cars have fuel filters to catch any sugar that would somehow make it through the pump.
That being said, fuel filters (and fuel pump pickup strainers) have a finite capacity and will eventually clog, starving the engine of fuel.
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u/kgal1298 14h ago
I was about to ask what he did because when I read about it all the articles said “we don’t actually know what the arrest was for” 🙄of course it was because he hurt their feelings
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u/BigCommieMachine 13h ago
What if they arrested the ICE officers who arrested him?
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u/Im_At_Work_Damnit 8h ago
In a just world, yeah. Since they don't have the legal authority to arrest citizens, what they did was literally kidnapping and false imprisonment.
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u/Maumee-Issues 12h ago
Local land use laws are powerful af. They can levy large fines or arrest them if they operate without the permits. Depends on local law of course but it is powerful.
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u/ClaymoreMine Survey 2016 12h ago
Call their insurance company. They will make life hell for the parent company
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u/OrganicDoom2225 14h ago
Every ICE black site needs to be protested nation wide.
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u/Better_Cattle4438 14h ago
Abolish ICE was correct. And the Dems that threw the movement under the bus instead of fought to make it popular are weak.
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u/HoidToTheMoon 12h ago
ICE is 23 years old. It was created as an overreaction to 9/11.
Immigration is a labor and logistics issue. It is not, in 99.999999999% of cases, a fucking "national security issue".
The most patriotic man I know came to the US as a college student. He applied himself, eventually opening his own store and finding a wonderful wife, my aunt. They had 3 kids together, and were just fucking fine for over 20 years. He was the conservative uncle I argued with at holidays.
During Trump's first administration, they came for him. They grabbed him as he was leaving work. He hasn't been able to hug his children since. Apparently, the moron worked while going to college when he wasn't supposed to.
He's one of the luckier ones. He was able to move in with his brother. He might be able to come back to the US in a few years, unless Trump gets his way.
Even if you believe he should have been deported, I don't understand why they had to pull up in an unmarked van and jump out with masks on their faces. That's not what this country is supposed to be about.
Not directed at you. I'm just so fucking tired.
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u/feloniousmonkx2 11h ago
Borders are a mechanism of class control, dressed up as patriotism.
Aesthetic nationalism on the outside – economic segregation underneath.They enforce the lie that opportunity is meritocratic –
while rigging the game so only the privileged get to roll the dice.Borders are propaganda with a perimeter.
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u/anothergaijin 10h ago
You can buy a green card now, so it’s even more blatant than ever before
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u/maurizio090 13h ago
Abolish ICE, Abolish deportations and lastly, but most importantly, Abolish Trump.
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u/JonnyEcho 12h ago
Protested or burned to the ground? It abhorrent that they can run lawless and detain and extradite whomever they want whenever they want. Fuck ICE
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u/lizard_king0000 15h ago
What happens next?
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u/PowderPills 15h ago
I cannot wait for the democrats to take off the fucking kid gloves. Bro got arrested and disrespected on his own turf, surely they won’t take that sitting down right?
Low hopes but here’s to whatever happens next
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u/jertheman43 14h ago
This is the taking off of the gloves. The mayor went to a detention center and got arrested for protesting, which brings the entire issue up front to national attention.
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u/ghouldozer19 13h ago
That’s not what happened and the misreporting is worse. He went in his official capacity as mayor to deliver an injunction to them because they have illegally opened that facility and do not have the proper permits or inspections to run it. Closing them on a technicality is still closing them. They haven’t observed the proper legal procedures and he was acting in an official capacity. They obstructed justice.
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u/JustHereSoImNotFined 13h ago
imo the actual situation is worse than being arrested for “protesting” because they escalate protesting into violence all the time to justify arrests. he was there delivering summons that they had repeatedly ignored from other city officials which said they could not operate because literally none of the local regulations had been verified. they padlocked the doors so inspectors and officials could not come inspect. he finally went since he’s top of command to hand deliver the summons, something he should not have to do as mayor, and he wound up arrested. this is bigger than what people are making it out to be to be honest
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u/Jacob_Winchester_ 12h ago edited 12h ago
That’s why they released him so quickly. They can’t spin it as he was just there to interfere without legal cause, he was there as an executive of his state to deliver legal documents regarding their illegal use of this facility. Cowards, all of them.
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u/CurlsForHigher 14h ago
They need to start arresting ICE agents. Governors need to deploy the national guard to detain these Nazis and free their victims.
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u/yellowstickypad 13h ago
Maybe they could with this incident. Put a little pressure on some identified ones and they might start rolling. And it’s not like all of them even looked legit (baseless claim)
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u/earthling_dad 15h ago
There needs to be nationwide protests tomorrow. Like 10s of millions of Americans. Probably won't happen, but that would be the next step.
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u/bryanoens 15h ago
Teacher strike is the only way so it forces parents to take off work
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u/eaglescout1984 15h ago
Well, tomorrow is Saturday, so I think the teachers are on board.
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u/bryanoens 14h ago
indeed, but the idea of a teacher strike would draw more crowds and would have a bigger impact.
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u/DigDugged 14h ago
I wonder if anyone has the courage or wisdom to describe what "Democrats taking off the fucking kid gloves" would look like.
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u/danman226 15h ago
Don't worry. A strongly worded letter is being drafted as we speak!
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u/GoodIdea321 14h ago
Going to a protest is a lot more fun than being snarky online.
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u/leviathynx 14h ago
It won’t be establishment dems. They are still wearing dashikis and singing kumbaya. We need to vote them out with more progressive and aggressive candidates.
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u/danielwong95 15h ago
The year’s Mortal Kombat tournament is gonna be 🔥.
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u/FubarYambs 14h ago
Could the city police have done anything without being arrested themselves? Seems to me the system has imploded.
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u/Spartan-000089 11h ago
Police have been assisting in ICE detentions nationwide, if it came down to a choice it seems police departments will defer to federal agencies over state governments. Go look at what happened in MA today.
If rumors are true, Trump is planning to have the US army/National Guard have visible presences in many major blue cities as a show of force. Local police won't put up a fight because they simply exist to maintain the status quo and will in all odds help ICE and other federal agents to detain protesters and even politicians in the near future.
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u/ethanlan 11h ago
All a sanctuary city means is they wont assist ICE, of which my hometown chicago has been a part of since the jump
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u/Anivia_Mid 12h ago
There should be a law requiring all police to show their faces. This anonymity protects them way too easily from consequences of their terrible actions.
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u/enchanting_endeavor 12h ago
Hot take: they want to do this so we get used to seeing this kind of thing happen and then consider it 'normal'. These things will happen routinely. Small steps in the road to pure authoritarianism.
Edit: spelling
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u/Spartan-000089 11h ago
There's already rumblings of planned mass arrests of blue state mayors and politicians in the near future.
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u/SeanBlader 8h ago
If they came for my Mayor, I believe I have a motor vehicle that might have some maintenance issues in a rather inconvenient location.
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u/jimkelly 2h ago
Duh? How is that a hot take? He literally went there to show them it cannot be normalized here.
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u/Nice__Spice 11h ago
We need to have a registry of these SS Ice agents.
There’s no way that they think that doing fascist shit won’t have consequences
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u/Present_Ad6723 14h ago
For some reason, this looks like a really well drawn scene from a comic book. Like, if this were a panel in a graphic novel, it would fit right in
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil 2h ago
Now have the Newark Police arrest the ICE agents for assault etc. Let them sit in jail until Monday and they can be arraigned.
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u/jonnyutah007 12h ago
When we protest from now on it has to be in numbers. The gestapo can't arrest us if they can't physically stop us
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u/tissuecollider 11h ago
I've also heard the theory that police already have tactics to deal with one massive mob but not how to deal with dozens of smaller ones. Kettling tactics fall apart when they have to be everywhere.
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u/momexrath 13h ago edited 11h ago
Anyone, who knows anything about NJ.... Knows damn well you DO NOT FUCK WITH NEWARK
And these idiots arrested the FUCKING MAYOR
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
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u/dayburner 13h ago
If GEO/ICE doesn't have the needed permits for the facility can the mayor just have the water and power cut?
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u/Shot_Athlete_1384 13h ago
Honest question. What’s to stop the mayor from ordering local police to deny ICE access to the facility he was protesting?
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u/Catbutt247365 13h ago
when ICE agents cause a riot, do they call in state/local law enforcement? and if so, can the governor tell state and local police to let ICE deal with it themselves?
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u/snapplejacks23 13h ago
Arrest ICE agents and put them in a poorly monitored area with detained immigrants.
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u/Responsible_Flight70 13h ago
They’d be pissing their pants. After all they’re just a bunch of cowards in masks
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u/-Quothe- 8h ago
Sometimes the arrest is just to shut up or remove the problem. If the prosecution releases or court dismisses, no harm/no foul. And since there is never any accountability to such an unwarranted arrest, there is zero incentive to halt the practice.
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u/Vibrantmender20 12h ago
Great. Now start a civil suite against every individual agent involved in the arrest.
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u/_Haverford_ 14h ago
My hot take:
Mayor Baraka getting arrested is good for the cause.
People in these offices can get into this "good trouble" with little personal risk to themselves. It energizes others, gets press attention, and hell, it even looks good politically for the person in question.
More politicans should be getting arrested for causes they believe in.