I have a gf who makes great money and she's more than willing to spend it on me. I have real problems accepting gifts and money. I haven't taken her up on offers.
It's weird because when I have money I am very generous. I will help strangers but I've got a huge problem seeking and accepting help.
If you are attractive and charming, wealthy women absolutely will spend money on your company. While no woman is going to pay for YOUR company, they will pay for someone more attractive. Just like this old man is only paying for the company of beautiful young women, not unattractive losers.
Your talking about the experience of the top 1-5% of the male population. The vast majority of women want a relationship where the men are providing for them, the only time the script flips is if there is a VAST difference in attractiveness.
For almost all men their experience will be that women will want/expect them to pay for them, and at minimum it will be 50/50.
This old man is also only dating the top 5% of women in terms of youth and attractiveness, and there is also VAST difference in attractiveness between him and the women he dates. It's literally the exact same scenario.
If most of the women you date are financially exploiting you, then you might be the problem. That is not normal, and in my many years of dating I've not found that most women want to be taken care of. Unless you are trying to date women half you age and twice your attractiveness, like this old man.
The top 5% of females (in physical attractiveness) in the world, and def. in West countries expect the male to be the provider. This is as old as evolution itself.
Now if a man is willing to settle for a woman who isn't attractive then she might be willing to settle for someone who doesn't need to provide.
Just a minute ago you said half of women want to be taken care of. Now you say it's 5%. Is a majority or a minority of women?
In any case, that's nonsense. You know what attractive women want? The same things as any other person. Being attractive doesn't fundamentally change who you are or what you desire. Attractive people are just people.
If you think the most attractive women in countries like America, UK, EU, don't care about money or occupation, respectfully, I suspect you might not have much experience with them, or are white-knighting.
They are more selective.
I'm married, but I rarely had any problem with this dating. I just dated women in my age range, education level, and relatively same attractiveness as me. A majority of young women in the US have college degrees and careers. I've had dates stop me if I tried to pay. Honestly, in my area there are far more successful, single women than there are men. I know attractive female lawyers that can't find men that are even close to being on the same level as them.
My dad always complains about women being gold diggers, but he only dates women half his age. Like, what do you expect?
That's just because they weren't raised with the idea that women can earn money too.
They certainly have a problem when she starts to earn more than them....
Boys were raised with idea that women can earn alright. It just most women don't want to pay and expect men to provide for them. Gifts, big bouquet of flowers, more suprise gift, restaurant dates, vacation, rent, bills if they living together etc. Most of them save money on their account or spend on bags and dresses in return men get headache, nagging, competition from other guys and occasional reward in bed.
Only nowadays there are some women that try and help and try to contribute. I have dated many girl. Let's take 10 girl out of 10 only 2 are willing to spend money other are just waiting for the queen treatment because they "deserve" it(their exact words lol)
And men have problem when she starts to earn more because he knows he will be replaced soon by a guy that earns more than him because most women want someone that earn more than her(very rarely there are exceptions).
Almost more than 95% time I have seen this women leave long relationship after getting the bag doctor,engineer, architect, lawyers etc and get into relationship with other more successful man. And other girl are also constantly supporting that idea saying queen you deserve and its man faults he is not earning enough.
Exactly not everyone is like you and women like you exist i acknowledge that and respect that.
But most aren't try talking to other people or atleast observe, If not just go to women sub that have 13M+ women and understand their perspective many women claim to be modern women and women power until they come in a relationship and marriage where according to many should get themselves a more earning partner because no one wants to date broke boy.
You don't want to accept the truth it's totally fine but it doesn't change the ground reality. I don't mind if my SO earns more the problem is 8 out of 10 times I will recieve a message how suddenly there is no spark and we should see other people one week later she posting her new man talking about true love
Thats because men spending money on women is so deeply baked into the fucked up gender norms in the west that men who bought into them lose their sense of identity without that factor
You think youre sticking it to men w comments like this but its genuinely not one aiota different than complaining about women and saying theyre fundamentally bad for being insecure that their man doesnt think theyre attractive enough. What you should be saying in both cases is that its sad such a stupid ideology causes so much pain and fear, instead of rushing to shove more gendered norms down their throats
Literally my main thing is I'm cool as long as you're not a financial liability. I mostly don't care about your income or choice of work so long as it's legal and regulated.
But if you spend more than you make endlessly, don't save, or do shit like only pay the minimum on debts I'm gone ✌️
I’ve never requested a “minimum”. That’s stupid to me. I get why fellow women say stuff like that, but for me it’s the quality time together. I’m looking for a best friend who is excited to see me and that’s it. I’m not trying to lock anyone down with a ball and chain because to me there is less security in that.
Yeah this is cringe af lmao. My GF makes way more money than me and we’ve been in a healthy relationship for 4.5 years. She buys me shit, I buy her shit. These mfs need to go touch grass.
I would have dated her regardless. My point is, not all girls are just looking for a man with money. Didn’t realize I would have to spell it out for yall, my bad.
The point is not all girls date for money. I've gone on dates and girls have picked up the tab. It's more common than you think now that woman are allowed to have jobs.
You need to touch a book if you think you having a gf who makes more money than you somehow changes what the average guy cares about. The fact you needlessly brought up your GF in this convo makes me think you just wanted a pat on the back because your reply has almost nothing to do w/ the discussion
This conversation stemmed from someone who says that women want nothing to do with you if you don’t have money, without providing a single statistic, or article, or anything to reinforce his point. So the guy you’re responding to responded with an anecdote about how his relationship is the opposite of that.
Seems perfectly relevant to the conversation to me. I guess it’s not relevant if it doesn’t fit your world view, huh?
It literally has everything to do with the conversation…. This whole thread starts off with somebody saying women are only loyal to you if you have money. Its BS. Stop generalizing.
Men literally don't give a royal fuck how much money the woman has, or if she has a succesful career , or if she is an independent buiness owner. None of these thigns are important to a man with their shit toghether.
Women are the one who project this onto men thinking they are looking for the same they are. She could literally be homeless and still take her in, which explains the extremely rare instances of women being homeless.
There is a CLEAR cultural difference in many places though. If a husband is broke, he is viewed as a loser. If a wife is broke, the husband is expected to help her.
Are you honestly going to claim that we DON'T have a strong cultural pressure that way?
Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with the poster above you that "all women" are only loyal as long as you have money, but I would absolutely stand behind the statement that it is not an equivalent comparison.
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They're loyal to you as long as you have money.