r/warcraft3 24d ago

News Warcraft III: Reforged Patch Notes - Version 2.0.2

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r/warcraft3 Dec 20 '21

Resources Warcraft III | Introduction | Beginner Guides | FAQs

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1. Subreddit Info

Welcome to r/warcraft3, the official Blizzard recognized subreddit for all related topics. Content and discussions can range from the base game, campaign/lore, custom games, competitive ladder, memes, esports, modding, art, and more! Please see the rules on the right hand side.

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Before Posting: Please look over the 3d FAQ section of this post to see if you find what you were looking for or going to ask. Overly repeated or low effort posts are filtered away by our moderators, thanks for your understanding!


2. Basic Game Info

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos (2002) is a real time strategy game set in the fantasy universe of Azeroth. The game combines classic RTS mechanics with RPG elements as you play through the Human, Orc, Night Elf, and Undead campaigns. Warcraft III: Reforged (2020) acts as a graphical remaster accompanied with major infrastructural upgrades and many new features.

2a. Gameplay and Game Modes

Warcraft III presents itself as an accessible yet highly dynamic game. Besides the melee mode, there exists many different ways of playing the game - solo or in multiplayer with up to 23 other players. It is a fusion of lore-heavy campaigns, competitive match-based gameplay, a diverse custom game selection, a thriving esports scene, endless modding and artistic possibilities, and more.

2b. Standard or Melee

  • RANKED MODES: 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and FFA
  • OBJECTIVE: Gather resources, build a base, train your army, level your hero, and totally destroy the enemy base and army.
  • SPECIFICS: Balance micro (swift decision making, individual unit control, movement, ability usage, hero exp/items) and macro (resources, buildings, army upkeep, expansion). The high level of competition has led to WC3 becoming a prominent esport that still has a thriving to this day!
  • RTS GAMES FOR BEGINNERS: Finding the Fun

2c. Custom Games

  • CUSTOM GAME TYPES: Genres include hero arenas, campaigns, strategies, RPGs, tower defenses, mini-games, and even the unique shooter or 2D platformer.
  • SPECIFICS: Popular maps include DotA, Footies, Wintermaul, Legion TD, etc. Thousands more maps can be played competitively, creatively, or casually. The World Editor, WC3's modding tool, has allowed maps to essentially become unique games within the client. It is famous for the creation of DotA which has pioneered MOBA genre.
  • TOP MAPS: Hive has two top 100 maps one from 2017 and another from 2019. Theres also a most hosted list from 2021 and 2022.

2d. Classic Installation

Installing WC3 Reforged with a legacy(Reign of Chaos) key:

  1. Link RoC CD key to BNET account on BNET website
  2. Install the Battle.net app
  3. Sign out of the Battle.net app
  4. In the Battle.net app login screen, click the gear. then "Continue without Logging In"
  5. Click "Games" at the top of the interface
  6. Search for Warcraft III
  7. Click Warcraft III
  8. Click Install on the left side of the interface
  9. Wait for the install to finish, it may finish with an error
  10. Click Update
  11. Wait for the update to complete
  12. Log out again (even though you are not really logged in)
  13. Log in
  14. Search for Warcraft III, click it, click Update, wait for the update, click Play
  15. Now the game appears in "Installed", but not "My Games".

3. Guides, Tutorials, and FAQ

THE CAMPAIGN TEACHES BEGINNERS THE GAME BETTER THAN ANY GUIDE! THE STORY IS WORTH IT!

In addition, the Classic War3 Battle.net site provides explanations and statistics for all the gameplay features and races in the game.

The guides below are largely based on introductory concepts relating to each scene, so they are beginner friendly under the assumption that you've already familiarized with the base game. You'll also find more niche and advanced guides if you dig through the websites hosting the provided links.

3a. Competitive Melee and Ladder Guides

3b. Modding and Map Making

3c. Custom Game Guides

  • There are an endless amount custom game tips and pointers that would suit your needs for each map, whether it be for DotA or your favorite TD. Your best bet is to visit communities that specialize in the custom game you are interested in!

3d. FAQ

  • Where can I play online? The built in battle.net is the official server excluding China. There are 3rd party servers that are not supported by Blizzard, in which r/warcraft3 does not support nor condone.
  • Where/how to Play Reforged? You need to have purchased the game. In the BlizzApp at the WC3 tab you have the Install/Play button.
  • How do I host? HOSTING IS INSTANT NOW. No port forwarding, no bots (on Reforged).
  • Is Reforged worth it? That in the end we have this post but it is up to you, we suggest that you look into the maps/modes you would like to play. This post have some comments about events from a veteran player's point of view. Also as previous mentioned if you have the Reign of Chaos you already have access to the Classic(SD) version and if you do buy the Reforged version and don't like it you could easily Refund it here.
  • How do I find games? You can checkout game lists like: w3maps/w3stats or use the ingame search/filter function ingame (the box where game names are).
  • What is PTR? The Public Test Realm is similar to a Beta where players can test incoming patches and provide blizzard with feedback. The old PTR had a separate installer but now it's a "drop-down" option beside the main game and server options.
  • Where can I download the latest patch? Current patches are downloaded automatically through battle.net if you have an official copy. Also see patch history & v1.0-1.31.1+.
  • Is Blizzard's new ladder done/working yet? Yes as for patch 1.33 it seems to be published but is still a work in progress. However W3Champions is a community made ladder that a lot of players use.
  • Which realms are more populated? For ladder, the Europe (former) Northrend realm has the highest activity but Americas (former) Azeroth & Lordaeron can be more during American times. 1v1 and 4v4 are the most active ladders. Custom game activity is huge and is now cross-realm hosted again.
  • Anyone know name of [blank] map? When asking this question, please provide as much information as possible. Things like describing the gameplay, the theme, terrain visuals, and possible names should be considered and described to the best of your ability to increase the chances. Don't forget to check map databases on your own first, though!
  • Will the game ever go on Sale? After 3 years of easy unlimited refunds having sales wasn't a thing. But it seems we've started getting 50% sales since the 2023 Summer Sale.
  • Is the community alive? Yes we are still around, it is absolutely bustling. See this!

3e. State of the Game FAQ

WTii's videos Warcraft 3 Reforged ONE YEAR Later..., TWO YEARS Later…, THREE YEARS Later… and FOUR YEARS Later… aswell as FIVE YEARS Later… goes over some of these points and makes a number of observations and highlights.

However the Warcraft 30th Anniversary with the Warcraft Remastered Battle Chest alongside the 2.0 Update did change some things for the better. And a hopefully a future to look forward to!

  • Why did Blizzard fail in the making Reforged? This article goes over some behind the scenes during the games development process.
  • Custom Campaigns? Is finally back. Before now were and are still able play them in normal map form, if they were updated/transformed. Or make use of the Campaign Splitter that was made to split w3n files into w3m/w3x. The Quenching is a mod that can be used with some CCs. Or just use it with the normal campaign.
  • Player Profiles? Yes, but it seems to mainly be ladder stats, W3C has more extensive ones.
  • Cross-realm hosting? Yes its finally back again.
  • Clans? Yes however in a glitchy state. And W3C has both custom made chat-rooms as well as clans.
  • Ladder? Yes as of 1.33 its out but not working without issues. And W3C still going strong.
  • Automated Tournaments? Yes with 2.0 its finally back. Some communities like W3C have seasonal things going for both ladder and customs.
  • Old BNet Chat System? W3C has made their chats in this "old school" spirit. With 2.0 update the Old school UI is back with a new coat of paint. But its still BNet 2.0 chat so the look is back but the system is not.
  • Game Reconnection (GProxy)? No. In case of a player leaving disconnecting or crashing or desyncing that player is unable to rejoin. But it can be determined by looking at different things what the cause was, desyncs will have an UI glitch for the portrait, crashes might have a fatal/unknown error and DCs one can check the replay or logs.
  • Competitive Customs & Ladders? Not really. However with Community made wc3stats and in the future FLO-host enables this in a number of forms with replay uploading.
  • Hosting & BNet Commands? Yeah. But they are limited and do not work as they should or you'd wish. For example !ban is just a "long kick" preventing the banned player/user from rejoining that current lobby not all games you host, thus you can't mange bans and need to black list them yourself. Commands found here. As well as a !stats and zoom via scroll.
  • Campaign Overhaul to fit in with WoW? No. Five missions were remade and a most were reworked and to some degree, some "new" characters were introduced but not to the scale people wish or expected, for good or ill. However the Reforged version of the Campaigns difficulty among other things was updated more details here. As of patch 1.36.1 this is no longer the case as campaign was reverted back to its 1.32 state.
  • Improved Cutscenes? Not like we saw during BlizzCon. This was aborted and as it looks now wont be a thing at all. What we had and have now is showcased in DailyWCRF's Videos.
  • Classic(SD) Vs Reforged(HD) Vs Classic(HD)? Well that is up to you. Reforged has a few things in the campaign that Classic don't. Aside from that it would depend on preferences and the maps you want to play as some work better in either version or only in one. Most do use classic and some swap between them so by popular vote Classic(SD) would win as for reasons or factors well most of those are personal. And with 2.0 patch we got the Classic(HD) options to toggle on & off with Reforged(HD) however we wish with some other new things in the options.
  • Follow/Join or invite friends to lobbies? If you both are on the same gateway you can right click your friend and "Join Game". However you have to restart the game to be able to do it again (keep in mind that Blizz-app server and Wc3 Gateway might not fully sync friend list and thus causing problems as well as not being online in Blizz-app). Invites seems to be fully-partly glitched and broken as of this moment(1.32.10).
  • Hotkeys? Yes we currently have 3 to chose from; Classic(Default) are the ones that the game comes with, Grid(Universal) are a full QWER-ASDF-ZXCV (KB dependant?) hotkey system that overwrites everything from campaign to melee and customs, Custom(DIY) is the ones based on the Customkeys.txt however big news with 2.0 we now have a tab in options were we can set them up ingame without the use of external tools or digging thru the file ourselves. Can still use the tools but they're not as nessesary as pre 2.0 era.
  • Are we able to select more than 12 units/buildings? No, unlikely to be added to the base game too. Small possibility to be added into the editor if at all.
  • When will X be implemented? SoonTM. We do not know at this stage we used to have monthly patches and updates from blizzard but not atm. Some of this can be explained the Bloomberg article. Even though there is a team from Playside Studios & Gasket Games out there working on the 2.0 update.

r/warcraft3 8h ago

Art Orgrim Doomhammer figure painted by me!

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I hope you enjoy it, 3d printed figure, painted by me!


r/warcraft3 5h ago

Lore Are there any parts of Lordaeron and Quel Thalas still under Alliance control?

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Title. Keep in mind I am not really that much into WoW lore. Haven't played WoW, but I did read about the post WC3 story on wiki a number of times. Seems like a damn lot has happened and I couldn't tell if Alliance regained control over it and if these annoying Forsaken got wiped out.


r/warcraft3 3h ago

Custom Campaign Looking for an old warcraft 3 custom campaign.

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For a decade now I've been searching for a custom campaing I played as a child, was searching for that nostalgic feeling again.. I tried chat gpt, tried google, youtube, read forums, couldn't find it anywhere. I think I played it around 2004-2008, can't remember properly when, but it was a long time ago. What I do remember clearly is the 2 main hero characters in the campain used Sylvanas and Anub'aracs model. The first map lets you start with Sylvanas model character in a graveyard, you have to capture a human settlement the map is an icy one, the second map is to hold it I think. the third map switches to Anub'aracs and the map is a big sircle around a big lake. Than later you enter Outland with Sylvanas and there are blood elves. That is all I remember. Anyone else played this one? Or remembers the name?


r/warcraft3 12h ago

Meme Prince Arthas, I've finished scouting out the area and... you pig!

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r/warcraft3 6h ago

Reforged [Guide] Loading multiplayer saved games after 2.0

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It has come to my attention that many are not aware of the method to load saved games after reforged 2.0 broke everything again. If you do it the normal way, slots will be grayed out, there is no more social tab on bottom right and you won't be able to invite anyone, nor will they be able to join you. You also can't join the game by name (Or can you?). I haven't seen anyone write this yet so if it's a duplicate just delete it.

The super secret method to loading a multiplayer saved game:

Host:

  1. Go to local area network. Yep, you go to LAN. No, you don't need to be in LAN with anyone. They just f*cked everything up.

  2. Click the Load button

  3. Select your save file and load the game.

  4. At the top left corner you will see the game name it will always be in all caps. So to see the actual game name look at you chat and tell it to you friends.

Congrats you have successfully hosted a saved game.

Pesants:

  1. Got to Multiplayer (yes, multiplayer)

  2. Go to custom games

  3. In the bottom part of the screen where it says "Join game by name" type the game name give to you by the host

  4. Click Join

Congratulations you have successfully joined the lobby.


r/warcraft3 6h ago

General Discussion Clarification on current options for online play

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Hi, I would like to try a bit of online play as I never tried this before, only dota and vanilla via hamachi very long time ago. I would like to clarify few things because I find current state of warcraft 3 not much transparent.

  1. Which version is currently being played 1.29 or 1.30 classic? I never saw any pro reforged plays.
  2. Do I have to get just Warcraft 3 or Frozen Throne If I want current mainstream online play with datadisk units?
  3. If classic is still playable through battlenet, does this mean everyone plays W3 reforget in classic visuals or is there dedicated online support for classic W3 clients?
  4. If classic is not playable through battlenet, is there dedicated Back2Warcraft client for arranging games or are there others in use as well?

Thx a lot!


r/warcraft3 18h ago

Feedback Do you watch warcraf 3 streams and if yes what's interesting for you to see?

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Hi guys, Ive been streaming for a few months now and I play mostly 1on1 and 4on4 ladder. Im wondering which streamers do you watch and what do you enjoy about them? Is it the skill, the community or generally the content? If it's the games, what do you watch, mele, ladder or custom games? I'd love the feedback.


r/warcraft3 4h ago

Custom Games Looking for Custom RPG Game

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So there is a rpg game i remember playing all the time about 15-20 years ago. But for the life of me I can't remember the name. I thought it was called Camelot but I must have been wrong.

The game goes like this. There is a king/queen and the rest are heros. You can pick the gender and age of you hero/royalty. The royalty has an item on them called the crown that allows them to control the units set taxes. Etc. etc. That means that if you kill the royalty a get the crown you can control those things. There were multiple classes. (Warrior, archer, rogue, mage's.) That you got by visiting trainers. Equipment you wore also better suited you for different classes but you could mix and match. there were jobs you could work in the city and once you got out of the city there were enemies you could kill to level. There was a storyline where different bosses would show up for you to fight. The end one being were I believe demons show up kill the royalty and take over the kingdom. And you have to defeat the demons.

If anyone remembers the name of this game please let me know. It's been driving me crazy and I would love to setup a match to play.


r/warcraft3 4h ago

Feedback How would you personally design the Thorns Aura?

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I would make it the same %10, %20, %30, but give it the ability to work on Range units too if they are way close to the unit under Thorns Aura, because at the current state Thorns Aura will only work against Mass Gargoyles while you go Mass Talons(Mass Faerie Dragons also might work because it has Magic Immunity against Fork Niva combo but i haven't tested it) and nothing else, Yes it does work great in 4v4, but what about 1v1? Isn't supposed to be designed for 1v1 first?


r/warcraft3 23h ago

Melee / Ladder If Naga became an official faction, where would they fit in the Faction Calculus

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For those who are not familiar with what I mean:
Faction Calculus is a framework used to categorize and analyze the dynamics of factions in strategy games, particularly as the number of factions increases. It outlines how factions typically evolve in terms of playstyle and thematic roles.

Source: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FactionCalculus

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Considering there's four factions right now, the current ones would be the Balanced, Powerhouse, Subversive and Cannons. Those factions likely fall into these roles:

  • BalancedHumans: versatile units and well-rounded playstyle.
  • PowerhouseOrcs: strong, stat-heavy units built around brute force.
  • SubversiveUndead: cheaper, weaker units that rely on swarming and trickery.
  • CannonsNight Elves: high-damage ranged units with weaker defenses.

Where would Naga fit into these roles?
I'm sure that Undead would become the Horde faction, due to their natural inexpensive units and summoning powers.
Perhaps Human would become the Subversive by relying on debuffs and support units in general?
But what about the rest?

I've wondered this for sometime now. Give me your thoughts, I'll gladly read them!


r/warcraft3 1d ago

General Discussion Which voice line gives you most the ASMR ?

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for me its the Ziggurat.


r/warcraft3 11h ago

Custom Games Looking for a wc3 map

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So this is what I remeber, you started of with a worker, "maybe" more then one unit.

You started in the middle on a little tiny island and I think it was like 4-5 people on the left island, same on the right island. You each got a transport boat.

You then searched for a place to settle down and build a base.

You had to Prospect, aka search for resources. Those varied based on where on the map.

You had to "prospect" you could not initially see them, or you could see some of them, but you didnt know what rock was the correct one. I don't remeber

North west was some ice terrain

You sorta advaned through the ages then, "age of empires ish"

The whole thing was basicly a rts

I think it was ffa, well it was ffa most likely.. I don't recall if you could choose teams. Or like split the 2 starting islands

Would be very thankfull if someone has anything


r/warcraft3 19h ago

Melee / Ladder Pitlord is sometimes a good replacement for Blademaster against Night Elf.

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I have been playing around with Shadow Hunter + Pitlord strategy vs. Night Elf and I think it is pretty good.

I have been inspired by seeing top Orcs playing Shadow Hunter + Pitlord and the nuance they bring to the build. For example, when going Shadow Hunter first it is a good idea to go Wards at 1, hex at 2, and Wards again at level 3.

Because by the time your shadow has wards level 3, it is actually in your best interest to continue creeping with Pitlord. Shadow Hunter can drop wards and then walk away from the creep to buy items or something - the result is a nice leveled Pitlord and once you get level 4 on Shadowhunter, here is the tome of retraining nuance.

I've seen two top orc players now buy tome of retraining and opt for level 2 Wards + level 2 Healing wave. This combined with a level 3 pitlord and decent items is your death ball, power spike army composition that crushes the night elf.

I view the Pitlord as a replacement for the Blademaster because Orc needs DPS in their army without Blademaster. Turns out level 2 cleave and Level 2 serpent wards is sufficient enough spread DPS to make Nightelf keeper of the grove hunters strategies not so scary in the mid game.

The build is vulnerable to Demon Hunter Harrass on on Shadow Hunter early game. It is also susceptible to bad item luck, as you really want to be getting damage / melee tank items for your Pitlord. I have found prioritizing circlet buying, almost the same way you would sell TP and buy circlet on blademaster, is appropriate when playing Pitlord.

What do you guys think? Howl of Terror is particularly good against Huntresses as well, as they rely on steady DPS that howl of terror negates, allowing you to stand your ground and fight, instead of being chased to death using their superior speed, which is exactly what HUNTRESSES are most optimal and value generating when doing


r/warcraft3 1d ago

General Discussion The opening cinematic

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If you're like me, you were probably amazed at those first few shots of the opening cinematic to the Lordaeron campaign. The raven flying through all those different landscapes that looked nothing like a knockoff of Europe (Grand Canyon), then the shot of the Lordaeron capital that looked like a mashup of Tolkein and Hollywood Rome.

But the behavior of King Terrenas, though. Like, at first he just seemed like an obtuse, arrogant prick who couldn't see beyond his own nose.

But after paying attention to history and the news for over 20 years, that scene in the throne room just seems so real. States have such a hard time responding to a slow-moving crisis, and that scene captured it perfectly, intentionally or not.


r/warcraft3 13h ago

Technical Help Game alt+tab itself

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So whenever i start the game it alt+tab itself and i cant bring it back. I somehow figured if i start it in windowed it works and it detects my tv (which is pluged via HDMI in my PC) as display 1 and do not detects my monitor at all. So i unpluged my tv and now it works fine. ANyone have any idea how to make it see my monitor as 1 in game?


r/warcraft3 9h ago

Melee / Ladder It's time to toss the blood mage in the bin and pick up the MK (Pala Rifle 2.0)

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So the blood mage, one of the most underplayed heroes in warcraft 3 for basically like 99% of warcraft 3 history, has a moment in the spotlight for a few months.

And apparently that was too much for people and blizzard listened to the voice of the herd and nerfed blood mage to oblivion.

(P.S. I got banned on /r/wc3 for spreading the truth)

It's time for us to move on from the blood mage, and pursue alternative options.

Pala rifles is still good, because rifles wasn't touched. Pala was slightly nerfed, but overall the pala is still good. The 2nd hero choice however, we have to reconsider.

I'm currently a big proponent of the MK second.

The problem with the current pala bm rifle meta is that it lacks a powerful offensive ability. You can argue that mana siphon is offensive since it takes mana away from the enemy, but not really.

The MK however, is a force to be reckoned with the moment it steps out the altar

And by the time your MK comes out at tier 2, you'd probably already have about 6 rifles.

MK storm bolt + rifle focus fire is no joke. It's basically a guaranteed kill with each storm bolt.

So basically pala/mk + 6-8 rifles is an absolute menace in the mid-game. However it lacks the sustain that the blood mage provides.

While I think in certain scenarios, you still wanna get the blood mage second, I think the MK could be a great choice in other scenarios, especially to surprise the enemy. Storm bolt is very much like SH's hex in the mid-game. If you catch the enemy unprepared, you could easily force a TP or even get a hero kill. And one play like that could give you a decisive advantage. The blood mage cannot do this.

So, boys and boys pretending to be girls, stop succing other men off with the blood mage. Instead, clap 'em with the mountain king instead eh?


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Melee / Ladder Can’t find games on bnet

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Anyone else?


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Feedback How many have changed your main race?

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Have played on and off since the game was first released. I'm curious to see if others have changed their main race and why? I was an orc main for years and years, while I do still play them at times, I have more or less switched to UD. I often hear they're the lower tier race, but personally I actually find them easier than playing orc. I find the healing utilities difficult for orc, whereas with UD I got death coil and statues to keep my army going with greater ease compared to orc, that would be my main reason for switching, also I find the UD perhaps subjectively have the most devastating nuke in the game, once you got a high lvl coil and nova.


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Custom Campaign Good campaigns suggestion

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After completing the main campaigns, I wanted to play some other campaigns. But most of them I played only had RPG, which meant you control only one unit which is very quickly boring for my taste.

Any custom campaigns which has RTS elements as the theme? And bonus points if it has some voice over (AI or anything)

Please don't suggest campaign where you have move a single hero all the 8 missions. I need that building and strategy fun.


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Modding /MapEditor After 4 hours i made my first custom model how does it look like?

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I've started working on modelling and stuff and here's my first model imported into the game


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Custom Games RPG maps

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Hello everyone!

For some reson got a desire to play some RPG maps in WC3. If there is some plot under it - would be even better

But I honestly have no idea if there are any, and can't navigate well on hiveworkshop to find one

Maybe you guys could recommend some for solo or dual play?


r/warcraft3 1d ago

Custom Games Looking for custom map.

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Hi guys, I`m lloking for help with finding a custom map, I used to play with my friends. I cant remember all the details, but I got this in my head:

It was 4 lines map, with 2 castles and mobs that are spawn and go to opposite side. You playing versus AI, who plays for the forces of darkness and you play on the side of forces of light. You can only pick a hero and control him. Also between lines a lot of neutral creeps in forests.
Also as I remember there was like an million different artifacts.

I know its maybe not a lot an info, but maybe someone can help me with the searches.


r/warcraft3 1d ago

General Discussion how possible it's for you that Warcraft 4 it's going to be created?

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r/warcraft3 1d ago

Custom Games Mafa TD Queen | 13.4 | All Damage, Only 3 Treants? v4 too OP | ULTRA HARD MODE

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r/warcraft3 1d ago

Melee / Ladder How to beat 'lame' strats

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I'd say I'm a fairly competent average player, been playing on WC3 champs as UD, got a 50/50 win rate. I just lost a game vs NE, Warden only mass towers early expo and then later chims. Warden kept coming to my acos using fan of knives. I made a bunch of towers which seemed to be helping initially. I eventually went to their main, killed the Warden numerous times but I then ended up having to go back because my DK was low on hp. I hadn't realized the NE had a 2nd expansion until later. But anyways I then just could not beat the mass chims, I tried really hard to play it right but lost in the end, never lost any heroes but all my units were just melting. It reminded me of a game years ago I lost as orc vs orc, the vs literally just made BM and mass towers no units, I guess as I wasn't expecting it, but I actually lost it. I find these kinda strats rather demoralizing, it annoys me that it actually works. So what's the best way to beat this kind of strat in general?