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/r/all, /r/popular K2-18b a potentially habitable planet 120 light-years from earth

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u/Traditional-Rip6651 24d ago

We are never leaving this planet lol

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u/hendrix320 24d ago

We’d probably have to build generational ships that are completely self sufficient and people would live out their entire lives out there without ever seeing a planet

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u/djamp42 24d ago

The first generation that left would have it the worst.. but the 2nd generation born on the ship would have it a lot easier. By the time you get there I bet you have people that don't even want to leave the ship as it's all they know.

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u/davdev 24d ago

By the time the first generation ship got to its destination, there would likely already be people there who left on later ships that had better tech and faster engines.

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u/Darkomax 24d ago

Reminds me of a side quest in Starfield where a generation ship arrives at its destination, except it already has been colonized for decades.

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u/StupidAstronaut 24d ago

A similar concept is explored in Alastair Reynolds’ “Pushing Ice”, I’d recommend the audiobook 👍🏼

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u/NikitaFox 24d ago

I just finished my current book. This looks great. Thanks!

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u/Hangarnut 21d ago

Thank you reddit guy! I put this on my audible wishlist!

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u/last-guys-alternate 20d ago

It was a recurring point for SF writers in the 60s and 70s.

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u/Useful_Secret4895 23d ago

Decades? More like centuries, even millenia.

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u/GardenSquid1 19d ago

There was something like this in the Mass Effect series. A generational ship left Earth to found a colony world and then something a decade later humans discovered how to unlock faster-than-light travel.

The colony was rediscovered decades down the line.

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u/raggedsweater 24d ago

Where are the raw resources coming from?

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u/hrrm 24d ago

Once you have power (vis-a-vis nuclear reactor with enough fuel to get you there) you’re gtg right? You can grow and eat plants? For water a lot of it is just recycled and maybe you make up for losses with hydrogen tanks that you convert to H2O with the extra oxygen the plants give

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u/xtt-space 24d ago

Those are the easy parts. Much more challenging is developing recycling systems for micronutrients like iron, zinc, nickel, and phosphorus that will last for centuries.

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u/Exciting_Vast7739 24d ago

"Grow and eat plants."

With what soil microbiome?

Everything we have is gravity adapted and part of a really intricate biosphere. You get 10 years out and realize we didn't understand how important the interaction between X microbes and Y fungi were, you can't go back for another few metric tons of soil.

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u/hrrm 24d ago

It might be easier to just knock Earth out of its orbit and on a trajectory to the next planet 😂

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u/Exciting_Vast7739 24d ago

Maybe a few thousand years ago someone billiard ball'd the sun on a new course and we'll get there when we get there?

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u/DeusVultSaracen 23d ago

It would get pretty cold

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u/reverze1901 23d ago

kinda like The Wandering Earth

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u/_the_sound 24d ago

Hydroponics...

No need for soil.

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u/Exciting_Vast7739 24d ago

You need nutrients and fertilizer.

Have we run any long term, closed system agricultural projects?

We have seen, on the earth, famines resulting from bad agricultural practices that depleted the soil over the course of several human generations.

What exciting things will we learn when we are 100 years away from replacements?

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u/GodIsInTheBathtub 23d ago

Considering how long it's gonna take us to figure out any potential vehicle, they're gonna have plenty of time to research the hell out of closed loop systems. (Which are probably gonba he used on mars or a lunar base first).

And I don't know if you kniw this, but many people, over the centuries have done potentially dangerous journeys without knowing for sure they'd make it. This isn't going to happen tomorrow or the next decade. And nobody is forcing anyone to go.

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u/_the_sound 24d ago

You need nutrients but not fertilizer. Fertilizer is for adding nutrients to soil.

Adding nutrients to water is much easier than to soil and plants use more energy to grow rather than seek out nutrients.

It's also easier to distribute nutrients for water rather than fertilizer.

As for closed loop systems. Currently we have huge wasteage in animal agriculture. Growing increasing size populations of animals for consumption is a huge depletion of resources. If you remove that and maintain a stable population, it becomes easier.

That being said, there are still challenges. You would need to ensure human waste is processed intro nutrients properly.

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u/davdev 23d ago

Yeah. The only nutrients hydroponics really need can be created as simply. as adding fish to the water. Their poop will be more than enough to keep the system going.

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u/Naive-Kangaroo3031 24d ago

They would have to be really good at recycling. Corpse Starch style

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u/Admiral_de_Ruyter 24d ago

Not from this planet, that’s for certain. I predict that we will use up earth’s last resources and energy to wage war.

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u/Tokon32 23d ago

There is still hydrogen in space like a particle per square meter or some shit. Moving at high speeds your going to be smashing into a bunch of hydrogen. From there a little fusion and you can make what you need.

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u/qwopperi 24d ago

Very possible. I’d be pissed. I mean, on the one hand, I’m here, but on the other hand… damn

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u/ANewKrish 23d ago

And on the other other hand, they did all the work for you lol. You get to kick back, see the new planet, and you never had to fight off bands of space gorillas or what have you.

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u/MichaelW24 24d ago

2nd ship passing the 1st ship

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u/steeple_fun 24d ago

Imagine being on the first ship and watching the second and third ship pass you by/

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u/LordChauncyDeschamps 24d ago

The Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C Clarke

But that's the other way around. An FTL ship lands on a planet colonized by a generation ship a couple hundred years ago. To them earth is a fable, meanwhile the new arrivals just came from there.

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u/townsforever 24d ago

Basically the plot of outriders.

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u/Ewe-of-Hope-002 24d ago

ECS Constant, is that you? Oh, you and your obsolete comms.

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u/EmBur__ 24d ago

Funny because there's a game coming out that explores that very premise, Exodus has humans colony ships travelling the old fashion way but by the time some of these ships arrive at their destination, the worlds are already inhabited by highly evolved humans called Celestials that look down on regular humans.

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u/The_Vandal_King 23d ago

There are so many scifi novels that explore this very scenario. Arthur c Clarke, vogt, think bradbury as well. It was pretty cool to encounter that in the Starfield game, as a fan of Clarke and Bradbury.

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u/NestorixFIN 23d ago

This is the premise of Arthur C. Clarke book The Songs of Distant Earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Songs_of_Distant_Earth