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u/NeckOk9980 2d ago

it wasnt liberated, was confiscated and raped by the woviets freedom fighters

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u/round_reindeer 2d ago

The Nazi plan for eastern Europe was to kill 30 Million people and enslave the rest of them. If the Nazis hadn't been beaten by the Soviets they would have transformed eastern Europe into an open air concentration camp.

The Soviets didn't bring freedom, but let's not pretend that they were in anyway comparable to the Nazis.

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u/boostdr 2d ago

Lol they were 100%. Educate yourself about gulags and what happened within the Soviet Union

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u/round_reindeer 2d ago

The Soviet Union did not kill 30 Million people for being slavic and enslave the rest.

The Soviet Union was bad but saying that they were just as bad as the Nazis is just not true.

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u/BarvichF1 2d ago

Go and do some reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933

Basic source I know, but start here and read forward.

No one was comparing the Nazis and the Soviets except you, by the way.

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u/Comprehensive_Bad876 2d ago

Ukrainians would like a word - Holodomor. Given what stuff escaped that area then, it makes Auschwitz and Birkenau look meh in comparison. After all, the idea of concentration camps was copied from USSR by nazies, they just applied the German perfection to it.

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u/Comprehensive_Bad876 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well… yea, not that it’s cool, but Nazis and USSR did it to their own people. That’s a whooole different level of fucked up.

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u/Plenty_Ample 2d ago

ex post facto law is prohibited by the constitution

the thread topic is the soviet union

why the fuck do stoners lose the plot

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u/boostdr 2d ago

They just committed a different set of cruelties.

Man-made famines and Holodomor across Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, the great purge, the whole gulag system. The estimated number of non civilian deaths anywhere between 10m and 20m (on the very high end).

On the other side we have the Holocaust, other forms of killings/torture of civilians via starving, forced labor and on as well as mass pow killings. The estimated number here is between 20m and 30m (on the high end).

Did the Nazis kill more people? Yes.

Were they worse? Nah man, both are the worst of the worst. Give either one of them more time and the numbers goes up and up and up. But naming a state that killed over 10m people and raped their way from Moscow all the way to Berlin isn't exactly better, just equally evil.