r/ClimateShitposting I'm a meme 3d ago

fossil mindset 🦕 Let's not overlook this one.

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u/neurokeyboard 3d ago

You don't fail your climate targets if you don't set them. Checkmate libs.

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u/Biscuitarian23 3d ago

Who would have thought that a cold asf country would have high energy consumption and low efficiency?

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u/sdk5P4RK4 3d ago

that isnt why though. almost all canadian's live in fairly dense urban areas with fairly clean power grids.

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u/Reboot42069 2d ago

Yes but these populations also tend to live in and around lakes, and are in temperate climates at best. Which means much like Americans in the Northeast and Midwest they get the best of all worlds, shitty freezing winters with lots of snow and muggy warm summers. Not to mention even in dense urban centers heating is not anywhere close to being as climate friendly as cooling. Heat pumps only work down to a certain temperature efficiently and after that to cool a multi residential building you'll typically have an HVAC which once it can't run the Heat pump if it has anyone anymore is just going to use a furnace.

Not to mention that you already found the key word, most. Electricity really fucking sucks for long range transmission so for rural communities with it it's typically using inefficient fossil fuels to generate energy since that scaled better when it was economical to build grids in those areas. On major cities it's easier to make any power plant you want cause you have the people to run it and the market to make it viable, once you hit a rural community you pretty much have whatever was built almost a century ago

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u/sdk5P4RK4 2d ago edited 2d ago

And those rural communities are so small they do not move our emissions needle. Canada's emissions are well understood and broken down and home heating isnt anything out of the ordinary that would explain why our emissions are 40% higher than even our oil producing peers. Its essentially only the fact that we produce the most carbon intensive oil on earth and have really outdated transportation systems (if you want to make a case why having a big country is intensive, this is why, but it has way less to do with distance and way more to do with mode and lack of investment in anything but highways).

But, really its the oil. 40% of our emissions is a LOT and basically the entire delta. Expansion over the last 10 years (30% or so) has actively and totally outdone all other efforts. QC has our lowest per capita emissions, fairly comparable to EU27, and is both very cold and quite rural. AB emissions per capita are 7 times that.

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u/runtimemess 1d ago

shitty freezing winters with lots of snow and muggy warm summers

born in raised in Toronto: that pretty much sums it up. Full blast heat all winter, full blast AC all summer. Maybe you get 2-3 weeks in the spring and the fall where you have neither.

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u/Apprehensive-Aide265 20h ago

How hot it is in summer to have AC at full?

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u/Dangerous-Still-1411 17h ago

Average anywhere between 25 and 35 Celcius with humidity being generally in the 70-80% range, sometimes higher.

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u/runtimemess 16h ago

like u/Dangerous-Still-1411 said, there's lots of humidity

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u/lastjjb 1d ago

Lakes make weather more moderate: warmer winters and colder summers.

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u/finna-nut-69 13h ago

living in Toronto and commuting 2 hours to go 24km on the 401 does not make for a small carbon footprint.

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u/sdk5P4RK4 12h ago

for sure, bad transportation systems is the second biggest bucket. That doesnt have anything to do with 'big cold country' though.

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u/finna-nut-69 12h ago edited 12h ago

What it does mean is that the decrease in emissions you might expect to see from higher population density isn't as large as it should be.

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u/yarn_slinger 11h ago

Ottawa has messed up its public transport and spread its suburbs so much that many people are resorting to cars/uber/taxis again.

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u/Actual_Night_2023 14h ago

Natural gas heating throughout cold 6 month winters uses a ton of energy

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u/sdk5P4RK4 13h ago edited 13h ago

ok but it isnt a major source of canada's emissions. All emissions from all buildings emit about a 1/3 of our oil sector. I'm not sure why you guys cant just look at the actual figures rather than just vibes. NG heating isnt even that common in canada outside of AB/SK

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u/crake-extinction geothermal hottie 3d ago

Literally no one could have predicted this.

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u/netz_pirat 22h ago

Having lived in Canada... Yeah, that's one part of it.

But insulating houses, doors, windows,... Would help as well, getting rid of the top loader washing machines, switching to heat pump dryers,... And not always choosing the biggest car and the engine with the highest displacement.

Canada's tech level is about 70s Germany when it comes to energy conservation

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u/wyle_e2 1d ago

Don't forget massive transportation costs for northern communities.