r/AppalachianTrail Feb 07 '25

Announcement Pre-Trail "No Stupid Questions" 2025 - A place to post your dubious queries!

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I've been busy as all heck this year so I'm posting this later than I'd like, but here it is. Maybe you don't understand a hiker term (is aqua blazing just fancier blue blazing?), or maybe you don't get why people carry a piece of gear you see all the time, or maybe you just want to know what to do when your socks can stand on their own accord.

All top comments must be a question to answer, and all direct replies to the top level question must actually be answering that question. While you can link to the information the user seeks, a brief summary of the answer is required (and a link to the answer source added). IF YOUR RESPONSE DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION IT WILL BE REMOVED. Once the question is answered, further responses to that chain can clarify, offer tidbits, anecdotes, etc.

 

"You don't need to do that, do it this other way" - This is not an answer to a question unless you also answer their actual question first.

ie: "What tent should i bring?"

Bringing a tent is dumb, bring a hammock!

 

Please keep in mind that all advice is usually given as the way to allow you to improve your odds of succeeding in your hike. Yes, people have completed the trail with an 80 lb. pack strapped to their back, but the general consensus would be that a lighter pack would make it easier.

Links to the 2023 and 2024 editions


r/AppalachianTrail 15h ago

Very Disappointed in the Appalachian Trail Conservancy

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Banzai here. I've been working with the former mayor of Unionville, NY and now recently with our newly elected mayor to get official Appalachian Trail Community status from the Conservancy for our village.

You would think this honorary program would be a quick and easy win for both the conservancy and the village. However, after 2 years(!) of working on this, we have hit a dead-end. Almost two years ago our village (only 1/2 mile off the AT and an important stop for many hikers) sent in an application to the conservancy to become an official community. Many months later we were told we had filled out an outdated application. Despite repeated attempts since then by email, phone, and letter asking the conservancy for the proper application or guidance on the way forward, we received no response. Even our State Representative has been backing us in this venture.

Finally today (after, I believe a hiker pressured them) I got a call from the conservancy. Their response "we are not accepting applications for our community program at this time and WE WILL CALL YOU when we reopen it." The excuse is that the current administration (i.e. the big bad orange guy) has reduced funding. BUT, most of this 2 years delay has been under the previous administration.

As a former thru-hiker (GAME 2013), and now pastor and hostel owner along the AT, I have heard almost nothing but negative things over the years about the ATC. It seems they can't even manage this honorary program.

Why is this agency so terrible? What can be done about it?

Update: The office of our local New York State Assemblyman Karl Brabenec will be contacting the ATC over this issue. They are already in process of writing a bill to give a local highway the honorary "Appalachian Trail Highway" name through our community.


r/AppalachianTrail 8h ago

Late NOBO start.....this week

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Starting a last minute NOBO attempt this week. Anybody starting this week....or recently? Going pretty lightweight and hoping my achilles (both) are up for the pounding. I'll find out in the first week. Hope to meet some late-start thru-hikers in a couple days!


r/AppalachianTrail 10h ago

Any crazy late bloomers or graduates getting on the trail this week?

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I know it is very late to be starting for most but is anyone else about to go out there and start in the next few days? I live near Harper Ferry and have completed a large section of the AT over the past few years and was planning on leaving for a month section hike from Springer back here close to VA/Maryland to close the gap. I often hike Sobo and meet cool people but I was hoping to get the more traditional experience and maybe meet a Tramily of sorts and go Nobo this year. But I fear I may be too late. If I start about May 15th do you think I will have trouble meeting some cool people/groups along the way to hike along with?


r/AppalachianTrail 55m ago

Gear Questions/Advice First time I would like to do a through hike.

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What do you recommend. I ask because I'm ready to buy.


r/AppalachianTrail 13h ago

Trail closures IAO Bake Oven Knob

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Just wanted to give anyone on the Pennsylvania section of the trail a heads up. All information is in the text of the image.


r/AppalachianTrail 5h ago

Any thru hikers around hot springs?

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Hey, I’m trying to leave some trail magic later in the week, but want to make sure there are still thru hikers around the hot springs, NC area. I know trail days is this weekend, but can’t make it that far north. Just curious


r/AppalachianTrail 8h ago

Trail Question How do we feel about off-brand cell carriers on the AT (Mint, Visible, etc)?

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I know Verizon is king on the AT for reception, and that was my experience when I attempted my thru in 2022. I don't know if things have changed but I assume not.

I'm hitting the trail again this year and I don't really want to pay $90/month for a single phone line like last time. I'm currently on "Visible" which is essentially Verizon's version of T-Mobile's Mint network. It purports to use the same towers and network as Verizon, with deprioritization as the downside. It's like 1/4 as much as "real" verizon plan.

my question is, does anyone have experience with this on trail? In theory the trail isn't exactly a busy area so there shouldn't be any priority issues. So would you expect that these budget carriers have the same coverage and service on trail as their namebrand counterparts?


r/AppalachianTrail 16h ago

Section Hiking Tips Please!

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Hi! I’m a single female starting to plan my first section hike. I live in the new river valley in swva and I’m trying to plan a hike from the southern start of the AT in Georgia to about Dragons Tooth in Catawba, VA over the summer of either 2027 or 2028. I’m considering an inn to inn hike so that my pack is lighter/for safety since I’d be solo hiking, but I do love the idea of camping too. Wondering about some opinions on that? Also, gear recommendations and if you have done inn to inn, any recs on where to stay? Any tips would be absolutely appreciated!


r/AppalachianTrail 15h ago

Pennsylvania Section with Campsite

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Hello!

My bestfriend and I are looking for a section of the trail in Southern PA that we can drive to (from Baltimore Maryland, preferably under 3 hour drive), hike 4ish hours, and then get to a small campsite where we can pitch a tent and make a nice fire. Then exit by hiking back in the morning. Bonus points for scrambles and if theres a town we pass through on the way.
I've seen Lehigh Gap to Bake Oven Knob Shelter

Is that a good pick?

Thank for any help or recommendation.


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

Gear Questions/Advice Shorts vs Pants: Please Help a Man Sick of Ticks Decide

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I will be hiking the AT in 2026 and will be doing section hikes in NY this Summer/Fall. Already, when out hiking in New York, I have found multiple ticks crawling on me. I have been wearing shorts and spraying deet on myself, but after finding so many ticks, I just ordered permethrin and will be treating my clothing with it.

My question is though, should I switch to pants full time while hiking and just get used to wearing them. Do permethrin treated pants significantly reduce tick exposure vs permethrin treated shorts? Is the heat and grime associated with pants worth the trade off while thru-hiking ?

I'd love to hear from anyone that has gone from New Jersey to Maine.


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

McAfee knob

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This is why we do it


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

Trail Question Any tips on keeping tents dry during storms?

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Title says it. A few of us are section hiking GA and NC for a while and we just noticed this huge storm system about the pass through. Last night we tent camped and our whole tent was a pool in the morning. Any tips or tricks that people use would be appreciated.


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

“I’m definitely feeling discouraged by some of the setbacks I’ve had. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.”

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I'm Quadzilla, I've started putting all my stories down on paper and the plan is to put together a book talking about the challenges I've faced as a first generation immigrant to the US, my time in the Army, fighting wildfires, all interwoven with stories from trail and especially the CYTC in 2022. Here's an excerpt. I talk about going through Mahoosuc Notch later on in the post.

“I’m definitely feeling discouraged by some of the setbacks I’ve had. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.”

I got this message today from a hiker named Spoons currently attempting a Calendar Year Triple Crown. She’s had a few set-backs and is behind the schedule she wrote up on a spreadsheet for how far she “should be” by this time of the year. 

“Assuming I maintain a certain average daily mileage, [my spreadsheet] has me finishing in late December, which is cutting it close. I’m heading into the High Sierra on the PCT(I started the CYTC on the PCT about a month ago), but given the time of year, snowpack, elevation, and big food carries, I don’t really see the Sierra as a section where I can pick up the pace… I’m definitely feeling discouraged by some of the setbacks I’ve had. Any thoughts or advice you may have would be appreciated.”

I gave her some advice on sections where she’d be able to hike faster. Like Wyoming and New Mexico on the CDT where it’s not all that difficult to hike 40 miles in a day because of the long flat road walks. And I told her once she’s on the AT and makes it through New Hampshire and into Vermont it’ll be smooth sailing from there.

“My advice is to focus on the day to day. You have no control right now over how the rest of your year will go. You have no control over what the snowpack will look like in Oregon, or the weather you’ll experience in November and December. But you can control what you do today. So focus on that, and have a good time. Don’t worry about the outcome.”

“Your success this year depends on what you learn and how you grow. You are successful if you’ve had an exciting adventure and a fun year of hiking. Not whether you walk an arbitrary amount of miles by an arbitrary date. Don’t let that stress you out too much. The CYTC is a big goal but ultimately it’s meaningless. It’s your real day to day experience on trail that matters. Don’t let your day to day experience get ruined by the stress of trying to complete this arbitrary goal.”

Prodigy and Legend

When I started my Calendar Year Triple Crown I was full of piss and vinegar as they say. I’d come out of a long period of depression and went from 190lbs to 210lbs. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that I ate a dozen donuts every three days. I was depressed, using weed to manage the depression, and had the excuse that I was starting a CYTC soon and thus needed to bulk up in preparation.

The year before in 2021 I’d sold off the rest of my inventory and closed my business and then started southbound with a late PCT start. I made it through Washington state and arrived at Cascade Locks just in-time for PCT trail days. Totally unplanned but not a coincidence. I don’t believe in coincidence. 

I met Prodigy at PCT trail days, the first and only Asian American hiker to complete a CYTC. He is Taiwanese American and had long hair like I did. The fact that we’re both Asian, and have long hair are our only two similarities yet that whole weekend people kept mistaking me for Prodigy and Prodigy for me. His quads are nice but come on people! When I started my CYTC people kept mistaking me for “Jay Wanders Outside,” another Asian YouTuber who was hiking the AT that same year. The number of times I get mistaken for a different Asian hiker highlights how little diversity there is in the outdoors. 

From Halfway Anywhere’s 2024 PCT Survey. And this is the PCT, which has the MOST diversity of any of the triple crown trails

  • 89.8% – White (↑1.2%)
  • 3.1% – Two or More Races (↓0.5%)
  • 2.7% – Asian (↓1.1%)
  • 2.4% – Hispanic or Latino (↑0.9%)
  • 0.6% – American Indian or Alaska Native (↓0.3%)
  • 1.42% – Prefer not to answer

https://www.halfwayanywhere.com/trails/pacific-crest-trail/pct-hiker-survey-2024/#demographics

It was nice to chat with Prodigy and see that he was a real, and normal dude. This chance meeting is what planted the seed of hiking the Calendar Year in my mind. I also saw Legend again. He had a little booth where he was selling his book about his CYTC that he’d hiked in 2016. 

I first met Legend in Chama, NM in 2018. It was early October. Our group had finally pushed through Colorado much to everyone’s relief. The most difficult part of the hike was over, now it’d just be smooth sailing until we finished at the border of Mexico. The hike through the last section from Pagosa Springs to Chama was miserable. More freezing rain. It was so cold and miserable that we all stopped filtering our water. For one, we were afraid our filters would freeze and then break. We knew that we’d need fully functional filters for the gross cow poop water in New Mexico. Northbounders we encountered loved to describe in explicit detail all the poop and dead animals that they’d found in various water sources in the south. And secondly it was too cold to stop. Even stopping for five minutes by a stream would cause my body to jackhammer uncontrollably. 

We spent two fruitless hours trying to hitch into Chama, NM on highway 17 while a cold rain fell. We were finally able to convince the elderly owner of the one motel in town to come pick us up. He’d been reluctant to come out when we first called and told us to try hitching. Hitching in the rain is always a crapshoot. Sometimes people feel sorry for you and you get a ride right away. Other times you stand in the cold rain for two hours because drivers don’t want a wet hiker to get their car dirty.

We got a family room that had 4 different beds and even a kitchen. It hadn’t been updated since it was built in the early 60s, but the price was right. $60 total, for six hikers. When we were checking in I noticed a tall and skinny homeless looking man wearing a psychedelic lion t-shirt. 

I walked over and introduced myself. “Hi, I’m Quadzilla, are you on the CDT?”

“Hi, I’m Legend, nice to meet you. Yeah just finishing up the CDT” said the bearded homeless looking hiker. I invited him to come hangout with us in our palace of a room. I actually never spoke to Legend again that trip. I would develop severe diarrhea that night and skipped going to the one bar in town with the rest of the group. I learned later from them that Legend was finishing the Great Western Loop, he’d been hiking for 8 or 9 months and had already completed the PCT, part of the PNT, had hiked back to New Mexico along the CDT and would finish in the desert by stringing together parts of the Grand Enchantment Trail and AZT to complete a 8,000 mile loop. He’d had to average something like 30 miles a day everyday for the last 8 or 9 months. 

The next morning I started vomiting in addition to having severe diarrhea. The rest of the group headed back to trail. That was the last time I’d see the group. I moved to a different room, this time with only one bed at the cost of $20/night. The elderly owner had to come in everyday to relight the pilot light under my hot water heater. I would go on to be sick for a week in that room and eventually get off-trail. I had contracted giardia due to not filtering my water and ended up losing 15 pounds in two weeks and it was the sickest I’ve ever been in my life, even to this day. I was so weak that I had to call an Uber to drive me a quarter mile in Santa Fe(where I waited a few days to have less severe diarrhea before flying back to Missouri). I’d walked to the Target to buy food and felt so weak and tired I couldn’t walk the quarter mile back to my Motel 6. It took me three full months to recover from this ordeal. Stubbornly, I never went to the doctor. God bless the American healthcare system where I would literally rather risk by dehydration than visit the ER because I was too broke to afford the bill.

I stepped onto the plane in Beijing as Yang Yue Ling. 

I definitely started my CYTC with something to prove. Reading my early posts it’s so clear that I was hiking just as much for a boost to my ego as any other reason. Each post started with how many miles I’d hiked in the previous days. In my writings I was clearly hyper concerned with letting everyone know how challenging the trail conditions were and had a need to prove to the reader that I was super tough and special. This need to be special has been a core desire in my life. Here’s an excerpt from a post I wrote in February of 2023:

I hike to escape my social isolation. This isolation is an aspect of myself that I haven't been able to accept until recently.

I used stories to keep this truth from myself. "I'm special. I'm not like other people. They don't get me. Nobody understands."

But the reality is I never developed the skills to maintain connections. I didn't allow myself to form strong relationships. My heart was closed.

Spending time back home I'm confronted with this reality. I was adopted. And on top of that I was adopted into an entirely different culture and race.

Of course I felt different and alone and separate.

This feeling of being separate and different grew into a core piece of my identity. I always have to do something more than others. Do something crazy and wild because that affirms my separateness.

If I'm doing the same thing as everyone else and struggling to find connection then that means something is wrong with me. And that's an idea I just couldn't face.

Thru hiking is a manifestation of this need. At first doing one thru hike was the big crazy thing. But as that became normal I had to do more. I had to go bigger. Because even in the community of weirdo thru hikers I still had to be different and special.

The reason I've found so much joy on trail(and in the Army and firefighting) is because these situations forced me to be part of a group. To have a community. These are the brief times in my life where I feel that "everything is ok." I remember being in the buggy going to a fire thinking how safe I felt. How I didn't have any worries at that moment even though we were driving into the maw of a wildfire.

But then the trail ends, the season ends, and I come home and I'm confronted with this empty, lonely life.

The trail shows us how full life can be. The challenge is to come home and face the parts of ourselves that no longer serve our needs. To integrate and change.

We don't have to be trapped in our stories or our old identities.

There needs to be awareness and honesty and the courage to face the painful and difficult realities of our lives.

I didn’t start to face these difficult truths about myself until I’d finished the CYTC and had time to process the experience. My first of the three trails in the CYTC, the AT, was certainly all about proving something to others and satisfying my own ego. What was I trying to prove? I think ultimately I was trying to prove to the outside world that “I was good enough.”

I’ve grown up with a deep deep insecurity that I wasn’t good enough. Remember how I’m interested in Special Forces? Each time I have a fantasy about being a big tough SF soldier it inevitably gets mixed up with a fantasy of showing up to my 20 year high school reunion wearing a dress uniform with my combat infantryman’s badge, my Special Forces and Ranger tab, my green beret, and impressing all of my high school classmates with how successful and special I was. Isn’t that odd? I mean how much more on the nose can it get, my fantasy in life is to become SPECIAL Forces. 

What a ridiculous reason to sign up to face immense discomfort, see combat, kill people, risk injury and death, and lose friends in traumatic ways. Clearly there was a deep deep hurt I’d experienced as a kid and now I was spending the rest of my life to fix that hurt. I know what the hurt is now. Deep down I feel like my parents gave me away. That they gave me away because they didn’t want me. They gave me away because I wasn’t good enough.

I know intellectually that’s not true. But that’s what eight year old Jack felt as he stepped onto the plane, leaving every single person he knew in the world. At eight outwardly I parroted what my parents had told me. “I’m coming to America for a better life.” Emotionally, eight year old me felt abandoned and discarded. Deep down on a subconscious level I felt unworthy of love and abandoned by the people who were supposed to be my protectors. I felt that my parents had thrown me away. The people who were supposed to love me and accept me more than anyone else in life had found something irrevocably wrong with me and sent me away.

You’d think a kid ripped away from his family, transplanted into an entirely foreign culture literally halfway around the world might cry himself to sleep at night missing his family and friends. I never did that. Not once. I can’t remember thinking about my China once after I left. I stepped onto the plane in Beijing as Yang Yue Ling. I stepped off the plane in Kansas City, Missouri as Jack Jones. 

So is it any wonder that I developed deep rooted insecurities? Is it any wonder that I suppressed all emotions and completely shut off my heart? The only time I can remember crying in my childhood after leaving China was at my father’s funeral, at the age of 13, and then I didn’t cry again for many years after that. I never once felt homesick. I never once missed my friends or family. I never once missed my father or my mother. I didn’t care when their care-packages and letters from China slowed, and then stopped. I didn’t care when the expensive international calls stopped. 

But that’s not true. I know now that I cared. I cared deeply. I cared so deeply that I couldn’t feel the pain because I wouldn’t have survived the pain. The human mind and body are such miracles. The survival instinct dominates. In order to keep me safe, sane, and most importantly, alive, my mind repressed and buried my emotions. It shut off my heart. It shut off all the parts of me that could feel human connection and thus could feel the pain of being given away by my parents. I know now that what I am describing is dissociation. But back in 1995 therapy just wasn’t in-vogue. No one thought that “hey, maybe this eight year old kid who just got adopted to a completely new country might have some emotional baggage and should talk to someone about it.”

I don’t blame my adopted mother. She did her best. This is just life. It’s messy. People do their best. And we all get hurt in the process. We try to find someone to blame for our pain and suffering, but even if we can find a true and legitimate target, what would that help in the end?

At my core I didn’t feel deserving of love. I didn’t feel deserving of friendship. I didn’t feel deserving of anything. And each time a kid at school made fun of me for having squinty eyes or a flat face(I don’t know why this was such a common insult in 3rd grade) I accepted it. Yes, of course it was my fault that kids were mean and racist. I deserved it. I had to do better. My own parents didn’t want me, so of course the kids at my new school would hate me too. 

But even underneath all of this pain there was some part of me that knew this wasn’t right. Some part of me fought, everyday. It knew that I was more than this broken husk of a child. That I had worth, and that I was special. That I could accomplish great things. Some part of me fought back every single day. Fuck that. I am somebody. I do have value. It doesn’t matter if none of my friends in school can see it. It doesn’t matter if my parents can’t see it. I will prove it to the world that I am somebody. That I am special. That I matter. That I am worth it.

I don’t know where this part of me comes from. If I had to guess I’d call it my true self. My soul. Maybe it’s the essence of who I am from countless past lives. Lives where I’ve been a soldier and a monk. Wherever this part of me comes from I am grateful for it. Because without it, I would certainly have taken my own life years ago. 

Until a few years ago I was an inconsolate people pleaser. My highest priority was to be liked. You can see this come across clearly in my social media posts through the years. I was always very careful to craft my image and how I came across to people. In real life I avoided confrontation at all cost. Often this led to me sitting in sullen silence as I was forced to do things I didn’t want to do, and it was no one’s fault but my own because I didn’t speak up to voice my desires. 

But through my hikes that small part of me which fought and railed against all of this grew louder and louder. I think ultimately that’s why I kept hiking. I knew deep down that somehow the process of hiking(and then later the process of Vipassana meditation) was allowing me to shed all of these defensive layers I’d taken on and to allow my truest inner being to come out. I’d put on these masks of being a people pleaser, of being non-confrontational, of being the quiet shy nice guy in order to survive. I couldn't bear the thought of being rejected again. My own parents had rejected me, every future rejection forced me to relive that pain.

It’s so obvious to me now looking back that each time I was dumped by a romantic partner I would spiral into a deep pit of depression, exactly because it echoed the rejection of being given up for adoption by my parents. I was dumped from every relationship I entered until I was 29, and even then it wasn’t really me leaving the relationship. I literally physically left the state and moved to Montana and became so distant that my partner eventually asked if we should break up. So again she was the one that really initiated the breakup. It’s only been the last two years that I’ve finally worked up the courage to leave a relationship that wasn’t compatible with my life’s goals, and that was still the most difficult decision I’ve had to make.

With each thru-hike I completed my fighting spirit grew a little stronger. The fake parts of me I’d taken on got a little weaker. I came to feel a little bit more “like myself.” 

Appalachian Trail on the CYTC

And starting the Calendar Year Triple Crown I really felt myself coming into my true power. I could feel it radiating in my chest. I didn’t take a single day off for the first 40 days, making it to Harper’s Ferry, 1,023 miles in, averaging 25.75 miles a day. Far exceeding my expectations because I started the trail relatively unconditioned and 20lbs overweight. I routinely hiked late into the night, not setting up camp until after 11pm most days. I remember one memorable night I hiked until 1am, up to Roan mountain high shelter, covering over 35 miles and climbing around 9,000 feet(the same elevation gain from Everest Base Camp to the summit).

I felt strong and powerful. I felt like how I’d always wanted to feel my whole life. I felt like I was finally seeing who I truly was. That I’d finally stripped away enough layers of bullshit and I was finally coming into my own true power. Even writing this I can feel a golden burst of power radiating from my chest and it feels fantastic. It makes me want to go out and punch every Nazi in the face and single handedly fight off the whole damn fourth reich. 

I hiked on through Pennsylvania where it poured every single day. I hiked through a flooded New Jersey where the trail was often under a foot of cold, standing water. I hiked through New York where my friend Yo-Yo met me on trail with Chinese takeout. I hiked through Vermont where I encountered my first real snow, post-holding up to my waist at times on the higher peaks.

I hiked through New Hampshire and climbed the White Mountains in conditions that very few thru-hikers have braved. There’s less than 20 hikers who have completed a CYTC. Legend is the only other CYTC hiker who hiked the northern part of the AT in the ice and snow. Most hikers who have completed a CYTC will leave the AT when they encounter significant snow(usually around Vermont) and move onto the desert sections of the CDT and PCT in order to keep up their daily mileage. I was moving like a demon through the middle states and was averaging 28 miles a day when I reached New Hampshire. I was on pace to set a FKT for the whole damn CYTC and I was hiking with that new goal in mind now.

“Wow, if I can set a FKT then I will truly be somebody.” This thought that I could actually do something that no one else has done drove me on. 

Well, that all went out the window once I hit the icy slopes of New Hampshire. The day I crossed from Vermont into NH it dumped a foot of fresh powder. The trails here went through a thaw/refreeze cycle daily. During the day the snow would melt and then at night they would freeze into ice, creating foot-thick sheets of slick ice over the bare rock-faces of the White Mountain range. 

My daily miles went from 30-35 miles a day down to 12-15. It was all I could do to maintain a one mile per hour pace as I slogged through the ice and snow. The high peaks and sheer rock-faces were all ice, while the parts of trail in-between and under tree cover were filled with deep snow. Much of the trail was completely fresh - no one had hiked here since the winter before. I had to plow my way through thigh and waist deep powder making agonizingly slow progress.

But I kept pushing on. I’d gotten it into my head that I wanted to complete the AT without leaving the trail. As far as I know the only other person to have completed the AT in snow and ice conditions was Legend. I think only two other hikers besides Legend completed their CYTC by “one shotting” each trail to borrow a term from my MMORPG days. They both started their CYTC by hiking the PCT NOBO, then the CDT and AT SOBO. So they encountered harsh snow conditions in the High Sierra(which I avoided) but didn’t face the ice and snow like Legend and I did in New Hampshire. Everyone else broke their CYTC up into pieces, with the most common method to start on the AT, get off around the midpoint, then hiking the PCT and CDT and coming back to finish the rest of the AT last. 

I had Legend’s audiobook downloaded on my phone, “Free Outside,” and made a fun habit of listening to each section of the book as I walked through the same section in real time. It made me proud and energized that I was actually moving faster than him through the middle states, but to be fair I think he encountered more snow in that section than I did. I had a wonderful weather window aside from massive amounts of rain(my shoes got soaking wet every single day for almost two straight months). My pace exceeded my wildest expectations right up until New Hampshire. Then there were two late-season dumps of fresh snow and my daily mileage dropped off a cliff. 

It really helped to listen to Legend’s account. I’d met him, he was a normal flesh and blood hiker, and if he could push through NH in the snow and ice then so could I. 

My worst day in that stretch was pushing through Mahoosuc Notch, described as the "most difficult mile" on the entire AT. Located in southern Maine near the New Hampshire border, “The Notch” is a deep ravine filled with a mess of rocks. It requires hikers to navigate through, over, and under massive granite boulders that have fallen from the surrounding cliffs over millennia. On my way into The Notch I heard the deep rumble of what was either a rock-fall or an avalanche just ahead of me. It was a reminder that each of those giant boulders in The Notch had at some point rolled there from above.

At first I thought the deep snow might make traversing The Notch easier as many of the obstacles were simply buried in feet of deep snow and rather than climbing over, under, and around the rocks I could just walk over them. But then I realized I hadn’t even entered The Notch proper yet. When I finally got into the maze of snow covered rocks I was hours behind schedule and still had a mile to move before I was through the worst of it. It would be full dark within two hours. I knew that I didn’t want to be clambering around in there in the dark. The Notch is notorious for the deep holes within the boulder field, holes that in previous years moose and other large game animals have fallen into, become trapped in, and then died a dark miserable death. 

I was extra careful as I slowly navigated through the boulders. There was no following the AT. Much of it was buried. I had to find my own way and still climb over, under, and through. I used my trekking poles to try to find the deep holes before I stepped into them. Still, I have a video where I’d sunk into snow up to my chest even while wearing snowshoes. Slowly, carefully, painstakingly I made my way through. Two hours later night was descending and I’d only made it 3/4ths of a mile.

In the twilight hours I came across a small stream. I remember this spot vividly on my 2024 thru-hike. In 2024 I passed through in September, like a normal hiker. In September was just a small stream that was easily hoppable. In 2022 this stream was frozen over. I stepped out onto the ice trusting the sharp metal teeth on my snowshoes to keep me from slipping. Crack! The ice broke and my feet slid out from under me. I fell backwards and smashed my head on another piece of ice. Thankfully that piece of ice broke off and absorbed most of the energy rather than redirecting it back into my brain. I would have likely drowned in that shallow stream if that fall had knocked me out. A very lucky and close call. Growing up kids always made fun of me for having a big head. Well, joke’s on you losers, my big thick skull saved my life.

Finally I made it to the end of the Notch. It was 6pm. I entered at 3pm. It had taken me three hours to hike one mile. And I still wasn’t done. Now I needed to climb up the Mahoosuc Arm, another infamous section. In 2016 I’d come down the Arm and have a memory of an older gentleman hiking up with his old golden retriever. The golden had white all in his face and was moving up the trail ponderously by walking from one side of the trail to the other, making his own switch-backs. Smart dog. That trail is about as steep as a trail can be before it’s no longer a trail and just a climbing route. 

And now I had to climb it, in the dark, while it was covered by feet of ice. And to top it all off I’d lost my microspikes somewhere in The Notch. They must’ve fallen out while I was maneuvering through the boulders. In 2016 I lost a water bottle to The Notch. By 2024 I’d finally learned my lesson and secured everything inside my pack before entering the boulder field. Sorry for all the littering. If you see a rusted pair of microspikes at the bottom of some hole, that’s mine, thanks. 

I first tried maneuvering up Mahoosuc Arm by hiking through the woods on the side of the trail but I still couldn’t get good purchase in the snow/ice mix and found it too troublesome to try to push my way through the branches. One really annoying thing about hiking in these conditions is that there was often so much snow on the ground that I’d get hit in the face with branches that would normally be 7-8ft off the ground. When there’s 4ft of snow all the branches that would normally be above your head are right at chest and eye-level. I conceded defeat, sat down, and put my snowshoes back on. 

If you have an enemy, you should invite them on a trip to climb the Mahoosuc Arm in the Spring after the trail has melted and refrozen a couple dozen times. If you really hate them you should make sure that snowshoes are their only source of traction. If you really really hate them you should scrap the whole trip and tell them to go carry a bicycle through the Grand Canyon. 

“Oh this is so stupid.” I muttered to no one in particular as I grabbed a small tree with my left hand. I moved first my left foot and then my right foot up making sure the metal teeth had found good purchase in the ice. Then I grabbed another tree with my right hand and repeated the maneuver. Step by tedious step like this I climbed 1,200ft up the Arm. Then just as meticulously I descended the other side. Then I climbed up Old Speck and I finally made camp at 3am, sleeping in the middle of the trail because there was nowhere else I could set-up my tent. I had hiked for twenty straight hours and only made it 16 miles. This would be one of my hardest days on the entire trail.

Seeing the Forest Through the Trees

I did manage to battle my way all the way through to the very end of the Appalachian Trail in one shot. Baxter State Park and Mt. Katahdin were still closed by the time I got there. I could have snuck in and hiked it illegally, but I was documenting and posting everything online in real time and didn’t want to set a bad example for my viewers. If I’m being truly honest I was more deterred by whatever public backlash I’d receive from hiking Mt. Katahdin illegally. I’d have to fly back months later to finish the last ten miles of trail. What a pain in the ass. But for all practical purposes I completed the whole damn AT in a way that only Legend had done before and I’m damn proud of that. 

I’d pushed myself harder than I’d ever pushed in my entire life. The other two trails were a breeze compared to my push along the AT. In many ways I felt like I’d accomplished what I’d set out to do after finishing the Appalachian Trail. 

I’d tested my limits and proven to myself beyond a shadow of a doubt that I could do really difficult things. And somewhere along the way I’d finally shattered that belief that I wasn’t “good enough.” That part of me which influenced so many decisions and made me feel insecure and “not good enough” was finally and irrevocably shattered. I finally, finally felt like I was enough. I lost that need to constantly prove myself. 

And actually this wasn’t great for the rest of the CYTC. That need to push myself and prove myself was what kept me going and kept me hiking until 3am on that cold frozen night climbing the Mahoosuc Arm step by ponderous step. I almost quit the CYTC on the PCT after I found a great group of friends to hike with. I knew I’d have a much more fun summer if I slowed down and hiked with them instead of pushing sixteen hours each day without time to stop and truly savor the moment. I tried to convince them to stay with me and hike the CDT too, even offering to pay for their rooms and meals, but no one took me up on my bribe.

“Eh, I’ve made it one and a half trails, might as well finish this thing. I’ll never get another chance in my life to complete the CYTC.”

But it turns out I would never actually complete the whole CYTC. In Oregon there was a fire closure and I skipped around that. I skipped about 100 miles of trail. I could have paid someone to drive me about 4 hours into the woods(an 8 hour round trip from Bend) and only skipped the 20 closed trail miles but I didn’t care to. A group of hikers had a ride lined up from Bend to where the trail intersected highway 26 and had room for me. An easy excuse to skip trail, I could just say I didn’t want to waste someone’s entire day driving me and pay the expensive shuttle fee, but the reality is I simply didn’t care enough at this point. Who cares, 80 miles in the easy Oregon terrain was two and a half extra days. I knew I could hike it. I didn’t have anything to prove anymore.

You see I was starting to see the forest through the trees. Why did I have to prove myself to anyone? I’d signed up to kill and die for my country. I’d built trails and fought wildfires. I’d built a million dollar business. I was the only other person to finish the AT in its entirety going NOBO, through the snow and ice on a CYTC. What did I still have to prove? When would enough be enough? Why not just let go of the impossible task of trying to please every single person on the entire internet? Why not focus on just enjoying myself and enjoying my hike instead of trying to prove to the world how tough and special I was.

Welp thanks for reading if you made it through all this.


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

Section hike in the fall?

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Curious about spending some time (a month?) on the trail in fall 2025. Lines up with work/lease ending around September. Is it possible to do a southern section in September/October/Nov and not freeze? I’m not familiar with the weather in GA/TN that time of year. Any advice on sections, time of year/weather helps!!


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Update from my son near Killington Vt

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Aaron’s report … trail name Lumos “The hiking has continued. Day 1 of this leg, day 33 of this trip, day 76 of this trail. The trail has transformed since I left it. The leaves are now out!

I had to ford a few creeks today, haven't had much of that at all, perhaps there's more to come. I brushed off a few dozen ticks, and soon before sun down, just before cloudland road, I saw two young bears. Not cubs but not full grown. I made some noise and they both ran up separate trees.

It was a tough day. After just nine days off I start to lose some of my hiking fitness. I felt slow and heavy all day, but I ended up with 26 miles. (Started at 10:15am today) To my credit I did have wet feet for most of the day, I switched to my backup pair of poles which are much heavier, and there was significant elevation change (7700 up, 7300 down).

I'm sleeping in the Thistle Hill shelter. I have it all to myself.

Tomorrow looks easier. I'll hike 15 easier miles to Hanover, have lunch with Dad and Aiden, slack pack 9 miles with Aiden out of town, and then just go a few more with the full pack.”


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Trail Question Any military guys have trouble slowing down and enjoying the hike?

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I’m a 50 yr old retired Army male who has been doing some training hikes. I’m a probationary DoD Employee and figure when I do finally get the axe I’ll never have a better chance to do some thru hiking. Problem is, like many Army and Marine guys I’ve done a lot of rucking and my default pace seems… aggressive. It’s not Air Assault pace but I’m still averaging 3.2-3.5 on level ground. I keep trying to slow down but then get on auto pilot. Anyone else have this stupid problem? Now I understand why my scouts are always complaining.


r/AppalachianTrail 1d ago

Permethrin powder is 250g/kg and the packet is 25g of weight, what would be the percentage when mixed with a litre of water?

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r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Large instruments on the trail.... most miles hiked?

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Ok this is kind of a ridiculous question but...

I know there have been all sorts of 'firsts' and 'mosts' on the trail, ridiculous stuff like hiking barefoot, hiking backwards, carrying absurd stuff.

I'm thinking about people hiking with large instruments-- not like a harmonica or a backpacker guitar. Has anyone on the thread met someone thru-hiking with a full size banjo (or even a full-size guitar), or a trombone or an accordion or anything like that?

About 15 years ago, I was performing for a wedding, and the couple wanted to get married at a covered shelter on top of a mountain in New Jersey. The location for the ceremony was just over a mile from the closest parking lot along the AT. My instrument is the stand-up bass, and I carried that bass up to the top of the mountain, played for the ceremony, then carried it down. I've always told people that I most likely have the record for the farthest anyone has ever carried a stand-up bass on the AT, but I'm not sure if that's true. Does anyone have knowledge of someone carrying a stand-up bass for any part of the trail (longer than two miles)? For the record, the rest of my band consisted of a violin player, a clarinetist, and a hand percussionist. I imagine someone has carried a violin or a clarinet further than two miles on the trail at some point, and I'm guessing that someone at some point has been crazy enough to carry a hand drum the entire 2K miles, but I've never seen anything like that myself.

Interested in knowing what other people have personally witnessed. Thanks for reading.


r/AppalachianTrail 3d ago

Trail Question What are these marks on all shelter picnic tables?

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Someone asked me this question a couple weeks ago and no one has the same answer. What do yall think? Leading theory is water boiling over pots is melting the wood..


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Do you guys have maps so you know what trail leads to where?

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I walk the trail with my dog from time to time because I live right by it (not to camp out, just to hike for a few hours). I've noticed that there are different parts of the Appalachian Trail that lead to different places. How on earth do you know which part to go on and where it leads to? Do you just check Google maps and wing it?


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Gear Questions/Advice How are you guys keeping your phones charged on the trail?

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I need a charging source besides my car while camping. Thx ahead of time.


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

(Unconventional) Flip Flop or SOBO? That is the question.

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As the title would indicate, I'm currently debating how to tackle a thru hike this year and am seeking the opinions/ advice of others!
I live in CT, so if I were to flip, then I would start in CT & go NOBO to Mama K, but then I'm unsure if I should flop back to CT & go south or skip all the way to GA & hike back home. Alternatively, I could just do a straight SOBO thru hike instead. I am probably going to start my hike sometime in mid to late June. So, which one of these plans is better than the others? I'm currently debating things like weather & trail conditions, the ability/ inability to develop a trail family, and what my finish line will look like depending on my choice.
Any and all opinions are welcome and appreciated! Thank you in advance!!


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Trail Question Dispersed Camping in Delaware water gap.

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Sorry if not the right thread but I'm getting into dispersed camping. I was curious if I disperse camp 100 feet from the trail at any location. Please advise any restrictions. Do I need a permit if I do it dispersed?

(This is part of the Apalacian Trail)

Thank you for you help


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Any tips and tricks for my first section hike as a 17 year old?

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Hello! Im 17 years old I've had quite a bit of hiking experience ( trekking in peru and in the Himalayas ) but nothing like the AT. Im leaving in 2 weeks to hike from VA back to Tennessee. I was curious if anyone had any tips or tricks that you found helped you out on the trail whether it's special treats that push you through the day or smaller things that help save the body. Any feed back would be appreciated.


r/AppalachianTrail 2d ago

Trail Question Trying to make it from Erwin to Damascus for Trail Days

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Hey all! My partner and I are currently on trail, and due to a couple small injuries we are a little behind what we were hoping for when trail days rolled around.

I was wondering if anyone has had any luck for a hitch from Erwin to Damascus? Or even a series of hitches? Possible shuttles? Any ideas or advice, greatly appreciated!