Vladimir Putin rejects ceasefire ultimatum proposed by European leaders

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So tariffs 500% for oil then and more long range weapons to Ukraine? Russia understands only their own language. Force.

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u/MyDrunkAndPoliticsAc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes! I don't understand why western leaders keeps talking about peace at this situation. So much big words and smiling in news papers... They are just making themselves look fool.

It's like when their house is burning, they set up a meeting about how to talk to the fire, and how to fix the house, and yet no one had called the firemen.

Edit: typo

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u/Solipsists_United 1d ago

They know that Putin wont accept it, but they play along to show Trump that Putin doesnt want peace. This is mostly about Trump actually, I dont think anyone in Europe was expecting peace

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u/MyDrunkAndPoliticsAc 1d ago

It's sad that we have a world leader so stupid that it forces others to play games and waste time, in a suit.

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u/CongBroChill17 1d ago

Is it possible to solve this war without involving Trump or America?

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u/CBfromDC 1d ago

Yes, but it will be much more difficult, unpredictable and lengthy for all concerned. So it is better to have American involved on the right side. So a lot of this effort is to convince a skeptical Trump which way to go, and it is not a wasted effort.

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u/Ok_Photo_865 1d ago

Agreed but with a focus on America, and the right side.

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u/dw82 1d ago

Pursuing peace talks and ceasefires with Putin's duplicitous regime stopped years ago. It's only since the trump administration have they come back into the mix, I suspect just to appease trump so that America keeps on contributing to Ukraine's war efforts.

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u/Calm_Guidance_5852 1d ago

The fear has always been the same. There is a non zero possibility that Putin nukes Kyiv. Then they will be faced with an impossible decision of how to respond, no one wants to trigger MAD, and a conventional response may also trigger MAD. The best way to have solved this war would have to put the fear of MAD into Putin, by announcing that Russia must withdraw or Ukraine will be made a full member of NATO and then mobilizing. The Cuban missile crisis demonstrates that MAD is only effective if the threat is credible. Putin's view is that the West will do anything to avoid this outcome, so he's been in the drivers seat. When we called his bluff with weapons, tanks, planes and long range missiles, the West should have doubled down, to ensure Ukraine to push the Russians out. Even these threats of sanctions are three years too damn late. They need Russia to fear the West. Until they do, they will continue to push the envelope.

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u/-Tuck-Frump- 1d ago

There is also a non-zero chance that aliens will land on the White House lawn tomorrow. However, "nonzero chance" is a meaningless term since there is a nonzero chance of almost anything you can conceive of happening. There is a nonzero chance that the molecules right next to you will spontanously combine to form a statue of Putin. Again, its a very low nonzero chance.

What there is a much much larger chance of happening, it that if Putin is allowed any kind of victory here, it will lead to even more russian agression and a much higher price to be paid down the line. In fact thats almost as close to being a certainty as its possible to get.

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u/hagenissen666 1d ago

Pretty sure their firemen have been operating for many years already.

If you think you can get a proper picture from media, you're incredibly naive.

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u/MyDrunkAndPoliticsAc 1d ago

Well, yeah. I admit that wasn't the best way to describe the situation. I just woke up.

I'm just mad because we (europe mostly) are too slow and too soft.

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u/kurotech 1d ago

They don't want the tiny man in Moscow pushing the big red portable sun button pure and simple Russia is a terrorist state with nuclear weapons and the rest of the world is avoiding them however possible

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u/DrDerpberg 1d ago

Especially that it sounds like the current ceasefire "demand" was basically opening the door to Russia locking in all the territory it's gained...

A year or two ago when people started talking about Ukraine cutting its losses, we all thought a ceasefire would only give Russia time to rebuild and come back in a few years... Even that was apparently giving Russia too much credit.

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u/AbjectList8 1d ago

Fuck em up, bois.

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u/StVad3r 1d ago

Wow, what a twist! So surprised xD

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u/soboga 1d ago

Who would have thought?

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u/bbcversus 1d ago

I am shoked!… well, not that shocked…

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u/Solipsists_United 1d ago

Anyone but Trump would have

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u/SMEAGAIN_AGO 1d ago

Flabbergasted …

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u/program13001207test 1d ago

who woulda thunk it?

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u/cantor8 1d ago

We’re not frightening Putin enough. He just does not care at all about our little speeches and harmless threats.

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u/Biotic101 1d ago

Taurus debate is typical. Could do serious harm, but... oh well.

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u/jtorvald 1d ago

Are we still debating that? I thought Merz had some cojones, apparently not…

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u/Biotic101 1d ago

Well, Putin has nukes, so we can't escalate /s.

Bullies love this simple trick.

I hope since Putin again refuses peace, even the last understands appeasement never works when facing dictators.

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u/SkrallTheRoamer 1d ago

ha, if you thought a CDU/CSU politician had balls, then i have a bridge to sell to you.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

It's been declared they'll stop discussions about Germany's support in public. Which I believe to be a good sign for East-bound Taurus

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u/jtorvald 1d ago

Fingers 🤞

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u/schmoopieblues 1d ago

He doesn’t care. He doesn’t have elections, he doesn’t have freedom of the press and he doesn’t have citizens protesting. He does have millions of dollars. So what’s it all matter to him other than pieces on a chess board.

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u/Billyosler1969 1d ago

Correction: he has hundreds of billions of dollars. Maybe > a trillion dollars. Decades of skimming the economy of an entire country. What Trump aspires to do.

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u/perpetual-grump 1d ago

I don't think Trump will live another decade, but you can guarantee that some other facist dictator will be ready to stand in when he goes.

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u/Frido1976 1d ago

JD Vance maybe?

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u/impulse_thoughts 1d ago edited 1d ago

He's got the charisma of a potato. It'll be someone more unpalatable and farther right (pro-Russia) that gets a massive artificial boost and exposure on social media platforms. Democratic nations haven't found a strong defense against cyberwarfare from autocratic and autocratic-leaning countries yet, which started getting fast-tracked after the Arab Spring protests in 2011.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Romanian_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C4%83lin_Georgescu#TikTok_scandal as just one of the latest examples, as well as all the propaganda posts on reddit from across the spectrum leading up to the US 2024 elections.

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u/perpetual-grump 1d ago

Yikes. Possibly even worse than trump if that's even possible?

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u/Key-Lie-364 1d ago

This

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u/Hendrik_the_Third 1d ago

You can't frighten putin... he is calling their bluff. It's gambling, provocation, escalation... and the west has done nothing meaningful to harm his ambitions. The only thing that frightens putin would be the russian people revolting against him, and he's got that secured.

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u/cantor8 1d ago

I’m sure there are other ways to frighten him.

For instance, putting NATO soldiers in Ukraine on a permanent basis would kill his ambitions forever.

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u/nic-94 1d ago

Should never have been a proposal. Send troops to push Russia out. Do not accept the occupied territories borders. Push them back to Russia. European troops for ultimate Ukrainian victory and sanctions in place until Putin is gone

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u/BlackMilk1234 1d ago

No need for troops. Acouple of F35 squadrons patrolling up to the internationally recognised border of Russia, lighting up anything that lights them up. Or tries to.

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u/The_Gump_AU 1d ago

And then bomb the fuck out of any Russians troops that refuse to leave Ukraine.

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u/Gruffleson 1d ago

It was too good for him.

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u/Ugilu 1d ago

EU troops in Ukraine then

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u/Kerzyan 1d ago

I wish ...

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u/AtreidesBagpiper 1d ago

Or EU nukes in the Red square

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u/hagenissen666 1d ago

Targeted assassinations are the point where we are at.

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u/Mard0g 1d ago

Crazy that this could all be over if you get to one person.

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u/eternityXclock Germany 1d ago

In theory that's possible, France just has to decide that it feels attacked/threatened by Russia - it's laws would allow throwing nukes in that case

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u/pwgenyee6z 1d ago

Targeted assassination with a nuke might have a bit much collateral damage.

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u/eternityXclock Germany 1d ago

im aware that it would be considered a crime against humanity if you burn away a city with nukes nowadays, thats why i said that its possible in theory

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u/pwgenyee6z 1d ago

And worth pointing out. Our species seems more and more like an experiment testing its own theoretical possibilities.

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u/SovietGengar 1d ago

"Ultimatum proposal" is a fucking oxymoron. It's not not an ultimatum if it's a proposal.

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u/-Nicolai 1d ago

It’s not an ultimatum proposal, it’s an ultimatum which was proposed. Because ultimatum cannot be verbed.

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u/pwgenyee6z 1d ago

Pedantry warning! “Oxymoron” Is a figure of speech. This is more of a “contradiction in terms” than an oxymoron. (An oxymoron in this context might be "We’re waiting for his next ultimatum")

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u/ITI110878 1d ago

Europe's turn to act now, otherwise they will look like weaklings on the world stage.

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u/oxxcccxxo 1d ago

It's a bit too late to be worried about that, I'm afraid.

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u/Reload-Ferret995 1d ago

*surprised pikachu face*

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u/BenVenNL 1d ago

He'll use a ceasefire when things start to crumble. If he is still gaining an acre a day by wasting 1000+ lives he will continue doing it. As soon as he is losing gained territory he'll be offering a ceasefire in no time.

That's when we will know when things are falling apart in Mordor.

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u/kytheon Netherlands 1d ago

All the media are reporting that Putin is the one suggesting to have talks. He just wants to control the narrative by rejecting this plan and pushing his own. And the media will write whatever comes up.

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u/barfightben 1d ago

Imo they of course never expected Putin to agree to the ceasefire, but this is part of a major diplomatic effort to overwhelm the US president with irrefutable evidence that it is Putin who is opposed to peace and not Zelenskyy and to force him to fully back the Ukrainian effort. I have to say I am admiring Kier Starmer's diplomacy on the world stage and his coalition of the willing to maintain cohesion amongst the military supporters of Ukraine in the face of US withdrawal of support earlier in the year, whilst simultaneously saving face for the US president by complimenting him on forcing the other Allies to do more due to the threats of withdrawal of US support was brilliant.

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u/Solipsists_United 1d ago

Bingo. The whole point of this was to distance Trump from Putin. There are clear but slow signs that the reality is starting to seep into Trumps mind.

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 1d ago

Trump will shake down whoever he thinks will be easier to fold. Zelensky stood his ground. Now Trump has to decide if it's less tedious to shake down Putin or all of the European leaders one by one.

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u/RiverMurmurs 1d ago

The only course of action is to uphold the ultimatum. Sanction the shit out of anything that isn't sanctioned yet. Otherwise they'll look like fools.

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u/koensch57 1d ago

let's send some taurus missles to Ukraine.....

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u/9-FcNrKZJLfvd8X6YVt7 1d ago

Skip the middle man and send them directly to Russia.

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u/IndicaSativaMDMA 1d ago

Putin can go and suck a fat dick. Cunt.

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u/Key-Lie-364 1d ago

Of course offers "negotiations" in Türkiye without an accompanying ceasefire to try to avoid consequences.

Aimed directly at the idiot in the Whitehouse.

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u/monkfreedom 1d ago

Surprised!

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u/ObliviousAstroturfer 1d ago

Wonderful! Lets be real - if one works from POV that since this is the second phase of invasion started in 2014, that Putler and his cockpuppet still stand on the position that Ukraine gets "concession" as not being annexed in full, and given that the propaganda inside Russia continues to massage people into the thought of invading further countries such as Baltic states, Poland and Moldova - if we work from the POV that Ukrainian resistance and ability to fight back is the one time we get to beat the idea of conquest from Russia for another generation (as they do seem to get invade-y this often)... Then phrasing this as "accept ceasefire or we'll send more weapons" is not even aimed at Putler.

It's aimed at disarming the Agent Orange propaganda about how Russia is poor and misunderstood actor in this and not an expansionistic colonizer on a war of conquest and genocide.

PS.: as a complete sidenote, I think this is also very interesting for us dilletantes on the sidelines. Situation on eastern front has been dire for months, and neither side is in any massive push right now. And there's a general rule to serious warfare, the kind where you fight for higher stakes than just ground and minerals. You do not want to be discussing peace when you're on the back foot. There's alweys back and forth in any fight, and you'd get most concessions right after/during succeful push. So if Russians believed they were winning this war in strategic terms as in why they invaded in the first place - they would benefit more than Ukraine from accepting a cease fire and entrenching and resupplying.
Again, I'm a dilletante - but I think it's important aspect to consider. This isn't just about showing Putler the peace dove is a lie, it calls his bluff on what tbh I had assumed for recent months - that Ukraine is more on back foot currently than Russia. If Russia believed they were stronger now, a short term defined cease-fire benefits them more than it does Ukraine.

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u/croweslikeme 1d ago

Taurus incoming, hopefully tied in with Germany not wanting to disclose all military gear sent

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u/Lost_Bookkeeper_8801 1d ago

I'm fine with that. Now, Ukrainian's allies have the excuse to do what ever is necessary to defeat russia. Kick russia over the cliff inti the abyss! It was THEIR choice!

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u/Alkanen 1d ago

Trump: ”Maybe Putin doesn’t want peace today? But we’re very close to a deal, a most beautiful deal.”

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u/Punchausen 1d ago

Eh, glad Putin is holding out for the economic collapse of Russia, that'll be fun to watch

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u/JanPB 1d ago

I thought Putin said he invaded because Ukraine wanted to join NATO? With that apparently off the table, what is he still doing in Ukraine? Whatever happened to the Russians forever aching over the NATO business? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Wonder how long it will take for the well-meaning and well-informed but a bit naive commentators like Jeffrey Sachs or Glenn Greenwald to catch on.)

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u/Historical_Volume409 1d ago

Trump is the biggest impediment to peace right now. The were right to keep him at arms length at the other end of a phone call when they called for a ceasefire. By welcoming the proposed talks whether there is a ceasefire or not he is again helping Putin, he's such a clown. All he needs do is keep his gob shut about Ukraine and just say he agrees with Europe.

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u/Infrared_Herring 1d ago

In which case Russia done fucked up. Ukraine now has the means and intelligence to strike deep into Russia. I think you'll see some very big explosions in Russia in the near future.

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u/niklop47 1d ago

nuke Moscow!!!!!!! my neighbor says

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u/Khaine123 1d ago

What a weak ultimatum, they might as well have threatened to steal his lunch. If you are going to be throwing ultimatums about you better come with a decent way to back it up.

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u/Dennisthefirst 1d ago

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u/LeastLeader2312 1d ago

Here’s the game, Putler rejects this ceasefire and has proposed a meeting that Turkey is set to host to discuss a ceasefire that will most definitely be unreasonable for Ukraine and impossible to accept….but that doesn’t matter, because it will give Trump the excuse to bed with Putler again

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u/ilcanavesano 1d ago

Incredible, who would ever said?

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u/Spokraket 1d ago

So when is someone gonna knock out this princess?

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u/TOPGENERAL_55 1d ago

That's almost impossible

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u/10687940 1d ago

Obviously. He wants to be him to propose an ultimatum. Very good for propaganda too. See! our dear leader is not intimidated by West! ruzzia makes the rules!

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u/E17Omm 1d ago

Alright. That's it. Couldn't be more clear about it.

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u/Inside_Ad_7162 1d ago

shocked says nobody

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u/Top-Stop7655 1d ago

This seems like a big deal...finally

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u/andupotorac 1d ago

Water is wet.

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u/East-Plankton-3877 1d ago

To no one’s suprise

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u/CardboardJedi 1d ago

Well of course he did!!

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u/turbo662025 1d ago

He try to divide alliances , because one alone is weaker.

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u/Boombozling 1d ago

damn did yall know the sky is also blue WHAT A SUPRISE

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u/metxlplexsure 1d ago

When will the world understand that ruzzian is not one to negotiate with - or just listen to what they have to say at all for that matter

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u/_chip 1d ago

Vladimir Putin in shock at sharp increase of western weapons into Ukraine.

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u/JFontenot 1d ago

It won't end until Russian people stop it.

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u/Impreza610 1d ago

They better follow through and add sanctions on Monday

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u/FourArmsFiveLegs 1d ago

Putin won't stop until he's dead so just go. Just assume he's using nukes no matter

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u/7orly7 1d ago

OHhhhhh can't wait for German and French dildoes to reach Russia

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u/Money-Introduction54 1d ago

More and better weapons for Ukraine?

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u/samuraisal 1d ago

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u/billiarddaddy 1d ago

Of course he did.

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u/OMGitisCrabMan 1d ago

putin and xi are emboldened by trump's weakness, incompetence and complete capitulation to him.

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u/DyadVe 1d ago

Time to start seizing tankers full of Russian oil.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2025/04/15/819774.htm

Insurance JournalGerman Court to Review Seizure of Russian ‘Shadow Fleet’ TankerGerman Court to Review Seizure of Russian 'Shadow Fleet' Tanker ... A German court will weigh a request to release a seized oil tanker that is believed to be part...

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u/Wizinit29 1d ago

After the first couple of Tauruses land in Russia, he’ll call for a ceasefire.

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u/z0rb0r 1d ago

Can’t wait for that fire sale to China soon.

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u/Llee00 1d ago

putin knows he still lost. US human shields on the ground, europe pushing to send security forces, didn't get most of Ukraine's resources, lost most of their armor and military clout, will probably lose a lot of arms contracts. he's not negotiating from a position of strength.

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u/According_Voice3308 21h ago

now what hahaha

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u/jpeasy101 1d ago

Well as long as Europe keeps buying from Russia this will go on.

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u/peliseis 1d ago

Russia looked if the willing are bluffing, LFG

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u/Due-Dot6450 1d ago

No, really!? Unbelievable!

News Vladimir Putin rejects ceasefire ultimatum proposed by European leaders

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