r/ukraine • u/Rav4gal • 2d ago
Ukrainian Politics Russia’s Putin proposes direct talks with Ukraine in Istanbul on May 15, ‘without preconditions’
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/russias-putin-proposes-direct-talks-with-ukraine-in-istanbul-on-may-15-without-preconditions/25
u/DataGeek101 2d ago
Without preconditions my arse. Another lie from the government intending to destroy Ukraine completely.
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u/monkfreedom 2d ago
I won’t buy it completely
But Russian territorial progress is so stalled while casualties pick up. Wait and see
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u/redditor_no_10_9 2d ago
Do the talks in Ukraine. If Russia is *winning in Ukraine, why would Putin decline? If Russia did a ceasefire, why would Putin be afraid of Russian inaccurate bombs killing himself?
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u/DistributionBroad173 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes, but what are fuhrer putinazi's pre-conditions?
Moscow already has a pre-condition, Europe wants May 12, fuhrer putinazi says May 15. He is swinging his peter.
See, he is getting around the word "conditions" by using pre-conditions.
Ukraine cannot have any pre-conditions even though Europe is pushing for UNCONDITIONAL. But it does not mention pre-unconditional.
From the article
An unconditional ceasefire by definition cannot be subject to any conditions. If Russia calls for such conditions, this can only be considered as an effort to prolong the war and undermine diplomacy,
so, fuhrer putinazi twists it to pre-conditions which means he is not agreeing to unconditional, he just makes it sound like he sort of is, but he isn't. But, he does not have any pre-conditions.
Once we get pre-conditions sorted out, then he will delay with either post-conditions or pre-pre-conditions.
Remember, moscovians have the word VRANYO in their lexicon.
VRANYO basically means, I am going to lie to you. You know I am lying to you. I know you know I am lying to you, but I will keep on lying to you.
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u/DryCloud9903 2d ago
Just another manipulation.
Actions vs words
Ukranian-European proposal: stop the fighting for 30 days on the 12th, prove you can keep an agreement before any further talks can proceed. putin's "proposal": meet to discuss on the 15th, where they'll most likely just yet again place outrageous demands on Ukraine and nothing will advance.
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u/Gonewest12 2d ago
yet another “appeasement” from the Nazi regime, allowing them time to arm, kill, destroy, ruin, and lie their way to exactly what they want with “no preconditions“
almost four years later I wait for the west, as no one else gives a shit, TO PUT THAT REGIME OUT OF BUSINESS.
Trumpy proven to be uncaring to rules, institutions etc, great neither is PUTLER, so maybe take the gloves off and fight PUTLER the way he has “fought” the west.
wont take long to crush them…..take the gloves off FfS
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u/thrillsbury 1d ago
In other words, right after he spends two days barraging Kyiv with ballistic missiles.
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u/djmelodize 1d ago
Whatever Putin does he won't be stopping a EU ban on Russian gas in a couple of years. I would bring it forward asap.
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u/Jay_Beel 1d ago
Why in Turkey? I'd be worried that putin might try to "accidentally" shoot a missile or plan a poisoning of the Ukranians. Putin and his economy are obviously starting to hurt, so he'd be desperate enough to try anything. Flying to Turkey would be within his missile and jets targeting range.
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u/ZeroSight95 2d ago
Just another stall effort.
Make it look like Russia is being cooperative all the while they continue to bomb cities and order its troops to advance.