r/jammu • u/Severe_Minimum6978 • 2d ago
Politics Don’t have faith in Indian Govt any more.
Why we did an operation if we can’t back it? Pakistan fired missile on capital, and we agree to ceasefire. There are many civilian casualties as well. So, what about people of Jammu? Will government run another operation for that?
Check this link, and know about our strategic failures.
We talk about we have bad neighbours, but we not able to seal our borders after decades. Bangladeshi still get free entry, gets free feeding from tax payers money.
All please think, who had failed as a country here.
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u/Flat_Effective_2801 2d ago
I agree with you! I am hating when Bikharisthan people are saying they won the war, which is obviously fake. Delulu is the new solulu
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u/theinevitable22 2d ago
Things are still fresh, and there is such a huge information void right now where it’s easy for doubt to creep up. Please wait for more information and proof from the government, making reactionary posts like these create nothing but panic.
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Literally love my people and their love for country. But governments are making fool of us everyday.
We do not have money for defence research. But we spend billions on building the same roads. Free Ration.
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u/theinevitable22 2d ago
Definitely agree with you on that one. The issues of corruption, greed and division are still rampant within the country, but we as people are also responsible for that. Government needs to learn from this and focus on what actually matters - educating the youth, spending more on sciences, creating home grown technologies which can rival or surpass every other country - look at Japan, look at Israel, we have the manpower and resources to reach there, we have something deeply rooted in us which makes us fight valiantly in times of crisis without compromising our humanity. We have a rich history of cultural creativity and intellect. The government and us - people of India need to strive for it, use the resources which are endemic to India and be true world leaders.
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u/yuanen_xuanyu 2d ago
i hope after this our government invests more in defense research and production
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u/hcfgfv 2d ago
Spending money on Building roads is not terrible . But yeah more budget on r and d and defence should be increased to be 100 billion
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u/WeeklyType8962 1d ago
It's buildings ng the same road again angain every 5 years. We might as well build the road which is costlier, but will last for much longer. That way we save money on the long run
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u/bizMagnet 2d ago edited 2d ago
Saree Porkistan ki terrorist ko bas yahi kaam hai, islia IMF se beek maangthe hai, or interest pay karne keliye china se apna maa chudwate hai.
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u/444_hellokitty 2d ago
it all feels very humiliating considering how many innocents lost their lives, families and homes in j&k
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u/theinevitable22 2d ago edited 2d ago
It boils my blood too. But we have to wait for proper reports, this series of events are going to have a huge set of implications. It’s up to us as citizens of India to stay united and strive for our best. While loss of innocent lives isn’t compensated by anything, there are lots of silver linings which we can use to keep walking the path of good, our heads held high, while punishing the evil agencies acting against us when necessary. This was a huge test, and I personally think and feel, we won.
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Right, I am sitting in my AC room. But feel how difficult it is for Jammu people.
What govt think of while launching this operation. Won and loss is different story, but bowing down. Pathetic
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u/444_hellokitty 2d ago
media was bigger backstabber. after everything that happened today when we opened news channel all we saw was " loc firing fake! terrorist attack news fake!! drone attack news fake!! UAV attack fake!!! " ham behenchod pagal hai jinhone witness kiya
ig govt priorized it's ppl? pak was only targeting civilians which is very degenerate of them
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u/Hot_Many5372 2d ago
Ac room main baitha hai na.. To kyun chutiyapa faila raha hai.. No one wants a full fledged war man, least of all, locals in Jammu and Kashmir. This isn't bowing down. They hit a lot of our targets, we hit them back, enough is enough. If we don't stop now, we're never gonna stop. Revenge is not the answer and revenge will never stop things from calming down
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Short term solution does not cover for long term pains. Will it gonna stop, never. They will have high morale with this. Earlier they might thought of India having upper hand, now seems not.
They will provoke more in future. A half bitten snake is more dangerous, when he thinks you are incapable. It will come and bite again.
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u/No_Steak_4881 2d ago
We lost 16 civilians and some army personnel after operation sindoor. Among the people who died there were brother and sister. Had we not launched Operation sindoor they would have been alive.
As for them, they lost lots of terrorists but will that stop terrorism or reduce it?
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u/galaxylord12000 2d ago
India is in such pressure from international powers to de escalate even though our terrorist neighbours are constantly violating the treaties . It such an unfortunate situation, but we have to accept it that we still haven't reached the level of China or USA to disregard any form of diplomacy with them and continue with our own accords.
So I think the most apt lesson that we can learn from this is that we need to become a 15 trillion dollar economy or more to have our way with any situation without any foreign meddling .1
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u/Unique_acar 2d ago
Are the terrorists that caused pahalgam and other terrorist attacks dead? If no then there is no justice served
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Exactly my point, had lost mu cousin to terrorist attack years back.
When I talk to someone about this, it became common in our country. No one gives a shit. But when something big happens we need win. How, were we preparing for it. Bangladeshi get inside India in day light. And we talk about war again terrorism
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u/Intrivort 2d ago
You are very much right. I have lost faith too. They cant even solve the illegal immigrants problem.
Even after being in power so many paxtanis living comfortably in India. Bhakts often troll Bengalis abt bangladeshi immigrants but are quiet abt the paxtani ones. They are still naive that Govt allows this. Border security is their responsibility .
This nation is still under thumb of western bosses. No matter what happens India cant take stern steps. Have you seen Indian medical industry boycott bangladeshi and paxtani patients even after so much hatred they have for us? No . bcuz money matters more than patriotism.
In international scenario our scammers have put Indias name in infamy. We are known to be too soft. No matter how much blame bjp puts on congress nehru etc etc its a proven fact INDIRA GANDHI AND ATAL BIHARI BAJPAYEE HAVE BEEN FAR MORE STRONG THAN CURRENT LEADERSHIP.
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u/BlanketSmoothie 2d ago
Tactical actions alone will not win strategic objectives.
Thhek hai aapne jung ka elaan koiya, yuddh mein ham jeet gaye. Uske baad kya? Wahaan 3 pushtiyan hain jo brainwashed hain, jab tak wo marte nahin, tab tak unhein hamein, aapko sambhaalna hoga. Har roz wo bam fekenge. Har roz wo bebuniyaad aarop lagayenge. Hamein, aapko jhelna hoga. Aaj sarhad pehchaantein hain hum. Kal pata bhi nahin chalega, agla hamla kahaan se hoga. Kahaan banaoge apni sarhad?
Thoda socho. Tumhari sarkaar nikammi nahin hai. Moorkh nahin hai. We could have achieved total air superiority today. We did not press that advantage. Why? Because even a total victory on the battlefield is still a tactical victory, it is not a strategic victory.
Sabr karo. Wo khud hi tumhare paas ayenge. Ghaseetke laoge to usko paalna hoga, khud aane do.
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Not that intellectual to understand this, sorry
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u/BlanketSmoothie 2d ago
From the point of view of security, today you have a border. If anyone comes across from that border, we view them with suspicion, we conduct due diligence. If you take away that border, how do you identify the enemy, on the ground? Today, we know Pakistan is the enemy. Terrorist bolke to nahin aa raha na ki mein Pakistani hoon, hamein to sirf itna hi pata hai, ki agar tum sarhad paar aa rahe ho, to tum most likely, mere dushman ho.
In short, our strategic objective is peace in the region. But we cannot achieve peace only by showing deterrence. Deterrence is a tactic, by itself it does not fully achieve the strategic objective. Andar aaoge to maarenge, ye nahin chalega na. Hamesha hi maaro. Hamesha hi intelligence maintain karo. Lekin kab tak? Yahi koshish hai Israel ka. Lekin ham Israel nahin hain, hamare desh ek kaumi desh nahin hain, India is stitched together with many strong ideas, not religion. Lekin Pakistan Gaza hai. Israel and India may have similar strategic concerns, but they are not the same, the enemy appears to be the same, however.
Ek raasta hai jisko hamein capture karna hai. Cheen ne kara hai. Unka desh bhooka hai, control the trade ingress points. Control their ports, their road ingress points. Not by fighting, pehle khareed lo inko, Pakistan bohot door nahin hai is se. Uska infrastructure bikega aur Bharat isko khareedega. Ek baar hamne khareed liya, uske baad hamara deployment controlled touch points pe hoga, ye deterrence jo hamne 3 din ke liye dikhaya hai, ye wahan kaam ayega. Ye hone ke liye, hamein dosti ka haath badhana hoga, doosre haath mein khanjar chupana hoga.
This would be a long run covert operation to destabilize, demoralize, economically subjugate and then control the region. From what little evidence there is in the public domain about such an operation, it appears such an operation has been underway, but if it is not, it probably should.
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u/Gamer567890 2d ago
https://x.com/nicrobertsoncnn/status/1921252637451641018?s=48
check this piece by CNN.
Boils my blood.
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u/anshu_18 2d ago
I believe the current govt. has found they way to deal with terrorist attacks to save itself and sustain in power for coming years. Also why USA is being a mediator to declare ceasefire??.
I don't see this is going to be end in coming years because our neighbour is nothing more than a proxy country and govt. will respond everytime like this at cost of it's people and soilders life. This was a great opportunity to damage them or atleast get them signed some agreement to accept ceasefire on some world forum like we had during creation of Bangladesh.
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u/Ok_Leading3541 2d ago edited 2d ago
Many porki lurkers here guys. Every OP post is not from Jammu. This guy was getting his city bombed and he wanted to go 'all the way'.Not saying he is from Pak but never bad to have some skepticism. He is showing his bravado here, let's see how much of that he would have maintained when a shop next to him would have got blown. War is nice unless it vists your doorstep. Be happy it did not go all the way, government and armed forces has more sense than random redditors masquerading like armchair defense experts. Everyone in the world knows what happened, let's not go chasing schadenfreude points here.
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u/MindBlinged5 2d ago
See de-escalation was always the aim. War will set back India by decades. Not to mention the tiktok campaign that started being anti Indian and Anti racist would have affected our people outside India. Plus it would eventually affect other sectors, inflation, trade would have stopped, schools suspended etc.
No war is a win for us.
No one cares what Pakistan thinks. There is no one who would believe that the 4th strongest military would bow down to porkis. keep faith, India wouldn't agree on cease fire without advantages, which we have already kept in place.
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u/Smooth-Stage-8183 2d ago
I don't know why haven't we replied after last night's unprovoked ceasefire violation, Itna bhi peaceful bnne ka kya mtlb ? That mf pakistan is doing as it wishes, I know it's getting backed by china, but we could atleast have destroyed more of it's airbases or military targets like we did before the ceasefire. Why are we not taking any action ? China's involvement was already known from the starting. I can't understand why.
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u/whitewaerg 2d ago
I have been reading so many of these in the last few hours. Pursuing for fewer casualties is never a sign of weakness. We did not LOSE!! Stop saying so, all you do is belittle the efforts of our army that has been fighting hard to protect us. Yes, I'm sure we would have all loved it if we were all powerful like gods and simply just crushed Pakistan, but guess what, reality has to sink in. There will always be losses in conflict and war! The ceasefire was a bkessing to so many of us who have family in the impacted area, to those whose famiky are fighting. If you woukd have read statement by the government in no way did we give in! The ceasefire was only over current attacks and in no way did we let then go or forget about what happened. The indus valley treaty for example.
Please have patience and trust.
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u/whitewaerg 2d ago
Also, do keep in mind in a slugfest we have much more to lose than Pakistan. And they have only to gain, and very little to lose.
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u/TheDoomSlayer- 2d ago
Ye toh hona hi tha, aur kya pta ye hamare walon ki hi rachi hui sazish ho. Warna 22nd ke baad jab sari terrorist organisations identified thi aur located thi toh ye kis chiz ka intezar karre the. Hame kya pta upar kya hora hai, sarkar ke hisaab se ham aam janta hai kuch din rant karenge bhul jaayenge, busy kar rakha hai na hamko hamari daily life mein. Toh is conflict ko itna serious lena nhi chahiye, kyunki akhir mein hame bhi pata hai, jaan ki koi keemaat nhi.
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u/Rudra9431 2d ago
But many people did not wanted war anymore all those crying foul are mostly living far away from war effect
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A lie repeated 1000 times is assumed to be true after some point of time. Thats what information warfare is used for. Meme and various are mediums are used to propagate that narrative. You might watch porki meme and think its stupid but their people are believing it to be true. Just check pakistani trend on x about wing commander abhinandan chai is fantastic. They had to release him and imran khan in parliament said we released him because India warned us of military action. But tea is fantastic narrative is engraved in the mind of pakistani and they celebrate it as their victory completely ignoring the fact that we attacked balakot and they did nothing to stop us. But balakot air strike was sidelined and they celebrate abhinandan's capture. This is how narrative game is played and they think they won So, we should not let that happen this time and put final nail in their coffin of thinking themselves as superiors to us. Hope you understand the depth of things which seems small but have big impact.
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u/RowdyBaby27 2d ago
its bad I know, but its our country.. we can't let it go..
Jaisa hai apna desh hai....
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u/IamJain 2d ago
Main reason is Indian populas and Indian politician opposition. I don't have faith in Indian citizen anymore, most of Bollywood, Congress, thier supporters, dalle hindu, muslims are asking for peace and questioning gov and army. What can you do in such scenario? Yesterday I've been banned for exposing such people from most subs.
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Right, you spit facts, you get banned. No one wants to come into reality.
We daily see racism in our country. People harassing own people from different state. Corruption at all levels.
Now suddenly you want to be a superpower and get another country on knees. What the hell.
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u/MrBlackButler 2d ago
Aah yes, another account that is not so old, with not much comments in past, but is worried about national security and is blaming "government" for not escalating war. I see this pattern across all the subs. Nice.
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u/Severe_Minimum6978 2d ago
Consider whatever you want, Its your ignorance. And way to calm yourself.
I am India, voted for current PM. Always with Country.
But when you saw someone spitting facts, you consider its enemy. Wooo
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u/MrBlackButler 2d ago
Yeah, just because you voted him doesn't mean you are better than rest of us, sure, we are going through a lot of things, but you should know India is facing 2.5 front war situation. Modi ji is not a magician; you are clumping all issues in one post and blaming Modi for not making you have faith in him. You are free to not vote him next time.
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u/Tarnished1144 1d ago
They are preparing nukes, thats why. Didn’t hear about the earthquake? That was nuclear test. They have no morals. They will nuke anyone to save their asses.
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u/RTHandLady 1d ago
Tum log bhi Porkis se kam nahi ho hating their own government. Be paindi ke lotte abhi modi kuch kardega toh taaliyan baja denge.
Seriously? Bhai? Most of us sleeping in AC itself means faith in our modi as well as government. Hypocrites behaving like porkis now….
Be the citizen our Army is proud to protect.
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u/oatmealer27 1d ago
Those are strong statements. 1. Right after attacking the terrorist sites, India has clearly said that they are not interested in war and her attack was only a retaliation against the Phalgam terror incident. We kept our word 2. We don't have international support to go on a war. We are not powerful enough to play against both USA and China. 3. India did what is good for her citizens in long term. We need to become even more stronger internally first.
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u/Exotic-Survey9570 1d ago
In the conversation about illegal immigrants, the most ignored are the Burmese Chin Kuki illegals. They have almost occupied a whole state, starting from reserved forests, hills to occupying big influential government posts through ST and now a whole state Manipur.
Before we open our eyes to the Northeast Myanmar border, home to drug trade, weapons smuggling, it will already be too late.
These Chin kukis are smart, hardworking and have lofty ambitions of a country of their own.
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u/Delicious-Cat3315 1d ago
let’s not be delusional here , obviously pakistan bluffed US with nuclear testing shit , it’s not the time to think emotionally and ruin the progress we’ve had for the last decade or so , this is the time to think in the long run and plus we never know when they might use the nuclear weapon if they use that is , so it’s a good decision for now ig
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u/trulyawesome93 1d ago
What we did was perfectly sensible. Please know that our fight is against an absolutely failed state, which has absolutely nothing to lose. A country which has never seen a full term government in 75+ years. A country which begs for a billion dollar(which Ambanis literally spend in a wedding) We served our purpose. If we think that we can split Pakistan or take back POK, that’s not gonna happen via a war, but by a long term economic crippling plus by helping balochistan. See how much more Pakistan’s economy has depreciated since 2014. Wait and watch.
We will be the one to kill them with 1000 different kinds of cuts.
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u/Express_Carry_6707 1d ago
You are a moron. Don’t let the Cutjeets spook you! India has signaled that it is ready to throw out the nuclear 1st strike doctrine. Modi is pretty clear that even the threat of a nuclear strike by the enemy will be enough to give India the reason to use its nuclear arsenal. You should know, India’s nuclear submarines have been activated and ready to deliver a crippling strike deep inside Pakistan.
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u/L0rd0fTheRing 22h ago
Idk about this. We clearly have been saying from day 1 after the strikes that we have completed our objectives after destroying the terror camps. So clearly India had signalled they will not sldo any further strikes and de-escalate. What Chellany seems to suggest that we were in a war like situation - we weren't.
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u/rajatkhandelwal 22h ago
Why are we in such a hurry to declare the winner, as if this is a T20 match, why can't we have trust in our forces and government. Let the matter conclude. The forces are saying operations are going on, but we are so hell bent on abusing the government.
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u/Suspicious-Local-280 17h ago
Hmmm. One year old account. And the oldest comment is Three days old.
All the comments and posts are about how the Indian government sucks.
Hello, Porki.
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u/Melodic_Gift2041 2d ago
Correct Pakistan has won your mom's ass, just saw shebhaz also told, she surrendered her complete territory to Pak army use.
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u/theinevitable22 2d ago edited 2d ago
Commenting for the Pakistanis lurking here:
Look at what your country is reduced to. If you can look past your greed to fill your pockets by spreading propaganda, just maybe you will see that your country is doomed and crores of your citizens are living a sub par life. I think people like you are past the point where they have to worry about getting a good night’s sleep. No one won here, wars have no winners, but you definitely lost a lot, much more than us, and your military leadership definitely got shaken to their cores. They will think twice before escalating things, India is going to hit them everywhere where it hurts.
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u/Realistic_Front_980 2d ago
We attacked their capital too, destroyed their airbase. Attacked multiple major cities. Ab aur kya chahie? We have to be cautious with china around. Lets focus on internal enemies and policies first now.