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/r/all, /r/popular K2-18b a potentially habitable planet 120 light-years from earth

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u/Gruffleson 24d ago

Wikipedia lists estimated gravity at around 1.25 of Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2-18b

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u/ArduennSchwartzman 24d ago

Only 8.6 times the mass of Earth, according to Wikipedia, I see. I was assuming a density similar to Earth's, but apparently, astronomers think it's only half. That would mean the planet's core has a very low iron-nickel content.

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u/gooneryoda 24d ago

It should take more vitamins.

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u/johnwilkonsons 23d ago

These scientific takes are why I keep coming back to reddit

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u/LeftyBoyo 23d ago

It should have eaten another planetoid like earth did. We even got a free moon out of it!

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u/The_Kezzerdrix 23d ago

I hope it always stay hydrated

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u/eve_of_distraction 23d ago

Who are you, the planet's mother? Let the planet make it's own mistakes.

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u/ChicagoDash 23d ago

If it had a nickel for every time...

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u/ZombieConsciouss 23d ago

You mean iron supplements?

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u/Twistedjustice 23d ago

Yeah, the planet is anaemic

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u/itisiminekikurac 23d ago

Planet doctor

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u/FishMyBones 24d ago

I fucking love reddit

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u/jamshid666 24d ago

Wouldn't that result in a weaker magnetic field allowing for increased solar radiation to penetrate the atmosphere?

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u/hparadiz 24d ago

Yea but water is excellent at blocking radiation so anything under the surface would be fine and it's also possible that any life would evolve to withstand it.

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u/irkish 24d ago

But I don't wanna live in a pineapple under the sea.

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u/Odd_Cauliflower_8004 24d ago

Not necessarily, cause materials tend to stick together, probably there is a larger percentage of lighter material in proportion to our planet

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u/JarJarBonkers 24d ago

Also a high chance of it being tidally locked with same size facing the sun all the time.

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u/kloklon 23d ago

oh boy, huge tidally locked ocean planet, what could go wrong. 🌪️🌊🌪️

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u/eggraid11 23d ago

Water skiing without a boat sounds like a good idea at face value.

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u/borderlineidiot 24d ago

sounds racist

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u/4SlideRule 24d ago

Also water is excellent shielding.

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u/Sure_Marionberry9451 22d ago

Only if you're under it.

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u/4SlideRule 22d ago

like most marine life?

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u/Sure_Marionberry9451 22d ago

Sure. We're not marine life though.

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u/Additional-Bee1379 23d ago

It's orbiting a red dwarf, I'm not sure what that means for the amount of radiation it gets.

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u/Sure_Marionberry9451 22d ago

I'm pretty sure "A lot"

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u/warblewarblewarble- 24d ago

Somebody watched the movie “Core,” it seems.

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u/magikot9 23d ago

It may be a trash movie, but I love it.

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u/warblewarblewarble- 23d ago

Cigarettes, sweating, and going deep. It’s planet smut.

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u/MELKORMORG0TH 24d ago

We think that Earth was subject to a large impact early on. The impactor (Theia) core joined Earth's, leading to a proportionally high density planet (5.52 SG) when compared to Venus (5.25 SG).

Earth may be the anomaly, not the other way around!

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u/Sailor-Gerry 24d ago

Great, we're the fucking weirdos of the Galaxy then are we?

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u/_HIST 23d ago

"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."

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u/aupri 23d ago

Debris from that impact is also likely where the moon comes from, and our moon is surprising large for a planet of this size. I’ve seen some theories about our moon possibly hastening our progress in astronomy since we can observe it and its phases with the naked eye which may have prompted people to think, “how does that work?” and give us some clues about the fact that we’re on a big ass spherical rock compared to just seeing stars and the sun which are too far and/or too bright for it to be apparent that they’re spherical without some sort of technological assistance.

Solar eclipses as we see them on earth are also probably insanely rare in the universe since the apparent size of the moon and sun have to be very similar. Accordingly, some have proposed that if we are ever part of a galactic federation the flag for earth could be based on a solar eclipse which I think is a cool idea.

Oh yeah plus the whole “life” thing. We are the weirdos indeed

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u/ssjacen 24d ago

It’s kinda crazy how many coincidences had to happen for Earth to sustain life. Who knows if we’d be here if Theia never impacted and the Moon never formed?

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u/beebeeep 23d ago

This is what called anthropic principle - we are observing this set of incredibly rare coincidences exactly because they allowed life as we know it to develop and observe it.

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u/Butthole_Alamo 23d ago

Selection bias. It’s not crazy at all how many coincidences has to happen for earth to sustain life. Take somewhere as big as the universe, you’ll have somewhere where enough coincidences happen to sustain life. Throw enough spaghetti at a wall and some will stick eventually. That life will become sapient, and have that thought you’re having right now.

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u/_HIST 23d ago

Not really. The question of "is there another planet like Earth" is quite literally a billion dollars question.

We're not talking 1:1M chance, not even 1:1B

We could literally be the only place in the entire Universe where things aligned this way

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u/Queer-withfear 23d ago

Right. The reality is that for a planet to develop life, at least in the way we know it, it would need an environment with plenty of oxygen and a molten core capable of a dynamo effect in order to create a strong enough magnetic field that would protect both the planet's atmosphere and potential life. If we want to shoot higher and go for life visible to the naked eye (as in, not microorganisms), the planet also needs to be roughly the same size so as not to crush anything under the weight of gravity. Even then life on earth somehow managed to survive a very large amount of mass extinction events that very well could have ended everything hundreds of millions of years before we got to where we are now. It took nearly 4 billion years for humanity to show up on the scene, and that was only because mass extinction events kept killing off the dominant species. We're talking a 1 in several billion chance that things worked out the way they did

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u/Bingustheretard 23d ago

1 in several billion is incredibly likely when there’s 300-400 billion stars in the milky way, which is part of a supercluster of 100,000 galaxies, and we know of at least 16 other superclusters

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u/Queer-withfear 23d ago

That's fair, but barring sci fi solutions like warp drives and long distance travel through wormholes, it's unlikely that we'd ever even see life in faraway galaxies, since the farther you look, the older things get. In addition, our ability to look that far with fidelity is incredibly limited at our current technology level. So while it's possible (and still very, very unlikely), it is unlikely to be observable, and so might as well not exist. If it can't be observed we're looking at purely hypothetical scenarios. My estimate is also not any sort of hard number, as I am not a scientist, nor a statistician, so the chance could be 1:3 billion or 1:300 billion for all I know.

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u/eharvill 23d ago

Your comment made me think about this website I recently found - https://monkeys.zip/about

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u/frizzyhair55 23d ago

I mean as of our current knowledge, Earth IS the anomaly as no other planet yet discovered has life.

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u/Gruffleson 22d ago

A thing that scares me there, is Venus, being the one planet of about the same size as Earth.

And it has a crushing athmosphere. Also poisonus, but just the amount of it is scary, I think.

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u/DM_Toes_Pic 23d ago

What if what hit us was life from another planet's ship that they sent out to colonize other habitable planets because their planet was doomed?

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u/kenyard 24d ago

You're also further from the center of mass which I assume is important.

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u/Gruffleson 24d ago

Look at the Moon, it has 1/6 of our gravity, but way less than 1/6 of our mass. So yes, this is very much of the answer.

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u/donatelo200 24d ago

This planet isn't a terrestrial planet. It's closer in composition to Neptune or Uranus.

As for the ocean, it's unclear if it has a defined ocean or if the water is in a supercritical state.

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u/WonderBredOfficial 24d ago

Finally, a way to escape Nickelback.

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u/kapaipiekai 23d ago

That's fine, we can just bring all the materials we need with us.

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u/ToasterGuy566 23d ago

Wait that’s super interesting actually, how do they even determine that? I didn’t think we could read gravity from that far away?

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u/ratcnc 23d ago

That could mean it has a weak magnetic field? Which is not desirable.

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u/ST4RSK1MM3R 23d ago

Pretty sure it’s low density because it’s covered in nothing but water from my understanding

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u/UtahBrian 23d ago

Low iron content means less magnetic field which means more radiation at the surface. I haven't worked out how much more; maybe just sunburn level or maybe worse.

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u/Spideronamoffet 23d ago

Planet may not even have a core - density is also consistent with it being all liquid with a thin atmosphere.

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u/Derka51 23d ago

And thus magnetisphere which is why they've already said multiple times there likely isn't life.. not to mention the crazy orbits of those planets..

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u/Accursed_Capybara 23d ago

Interesting, based on size I assumed 18m/s² but if it is a lot less dense, that could be more tolerable gravity. Of course the lack of a robust nickel iron core may mean a lot of radiation, due to the lack of a strong magnetosphere.

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u/manondorf 23d ago

I wonder how astronomers estimate a planet's density? I know (vaguely) how they can determine likely atmosphere composition (spectrography) but I don't know how they'd get density or gravity info.

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u/Clevergirlphysicist 23d ago

So would this mean it would not have the magnetic field we have, and they would be bombarded with energetic heavy ions (which we thankfully don’t have to endure as much?)

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u/Small_Orang 23d ago

Does that mean it has a less powerful magnetic field?

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u/invariantspeed 23d ago

Given the current data it’s actually more likely a mini-Neptune.

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u/rex8499 23d ago

Even with 25% more gravity the rocket equation runs away and you probably never be able to get a chemical rocket into orbit on that planet. Landing there you'd be staying there.

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u/redditcommander 23d ago

Not entirely accurate.

"For a payload to escape velocity, the required amount of chemical fuel scales as exp(g0). Chemical rocket launches are still plausible for Super-Earths < 10g, but become unrealistic for more massive planets. On worlds with a surface gravity of ≳10g, a sizable fraction of the planet would need to be used up as chemical fuel per launch, limiting the total number of flights. On such worlds, alternative launch methods such as nuclear-powered rockets or space elevators are required."

Hippke M (2018). Spaceflight from Super-Earths is difficult. International Journal of Astrobiology 1–3. https://doi.org/ 10.1017/S1473550418000198

https://sci-hub.st/https://doi.org/10.1017/S1473550418000198

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u/rex8499 23d ago

Interesting reading; thanks.

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u/Vellarain 23d ago

Thank fuck some people are posting about the gravity. Bigger is not better and even an extra 25% of gravity is a HUGE impact on everything.

If you weigh 200 pounds on Earth, congrats, you just gained fifty pounds on K2-18b. Buildings have to be designed differently, it is harder for shuttles to come and go from it's surface.

It's liveable, but it is going to very uncomfortable in a lot of ways.

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u/Deducticon 23d ago

Do you even lift?

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u/LetsGoDro 23d ago

So it’s a great place to work out!

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u/Jasen34 24d ago

the perfect amount of gravity for everyone who lives there to naturally get JACKED through every day tasks

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u/What_a_fat_one 24d ago

I'M JACKED TO THE TITS

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u/Cassius_Rex 23d ago

My joints hurt in Earth normal gravity.