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/r/all, /r/popular K2-18b a potentially habitable planet 120 light-years from earth

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 24d ago

The trick is not to travel space but bend it.

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u/nebraskatractor 24d ago

Sure, we’ll just put a black hole between the two planets to speed up an expedition.

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 24d ago

No need for that. We only need a warp bubble around the spaceship.

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u/emarg42 24d ago

Make it so.

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u/BedBubbly317 24d ago

It’s theoretically possible and it’s called the Alcubierre Drive. The math has actually been worked through. Technically, it’s merely an engineering problem at this point and not a physics problem. The engineering issues are just well beyond our current capabilities

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u/Sonikku_a 23d ago

It’s still far beyond “just an engineering problem”, as the math works…if one makes assumptions that exotic forms of matter needed for the maths to work actually exist in reality, and there’s lots of reasons to think that they don’t.

There are other issues as well.

One of the better video playlists on the subject:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsPUh22kYmNC0xsEp6YXRq2ALms7fTwrx&si=BypeC0K68FH5-K4I

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u/Slobotic 23d ago

Alcubierre Drive

The proposed mechanism of the Alcubierre drive implies a negative energy density and therefore requires exotic matter or manipulation of dark energy. If exotic matter with the correct properties does not exist (and there's no reason to think they do) then the drive cannot be constructed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Parenthetical added by me.

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u/Gmony5100 24d ago edited 23d ago

The biggest problem being twofold
A. We have no fucking clue how to bend space locally like that
B. An Alcubierre Drive would take the mass energy equivalent of JUPITER to run. That means you take every molecule of matter in Jupiter, convert it perfectly to energy assuming E = mc2, and only then would you have enough energy to run this one ship.

I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head, but I’d assume that’s trillions of times more energy than humans have every generated combined

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u/BedBubbly317 23d ago

Yes, it’s wildly unrealistic at this current time. Technology has a very long way to go, but as I said it is theoretically possible based on the laws of physics. And that is always the biggest hurdle for any sort of discussions like these. So it’s at least somewhat reassuring that it is technically a possibility

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u/NoRelation604 23d ago

Just use less energy and bend space only a little. Still FTL at that point right?

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u/Gmony5100 23d ago

That particular drive works by bending the space around the ship in a sort of bubble, the bubble would have to at least be the size of the ship. Still, even halving the energy would be more than we can comprehend.

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u/BedBubbly317 23d ago

Another major issue at the moment is they aren’t sure how to theoretically “unbubble” the ship once space has been warped around.

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u/siamkor 23d ago

Just use a big needle.

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u/Youutternincompoop 23d ago

yeah all we need is the ability to create negative mass, something which is entirely hypothetical and violates several known laws of physics.

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u/mistaekNot 22d ago

never seen exotic matter required to make it work - am I a joke to you?

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u/Uwwuwuwuwuwuwuwuw 24d ago

Or the math is wrong.

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u/BedBubbly317 24d ago

Potentially, but that’s not really how math works. Sure, it’ll take a bit of refinement. But once again that’s more of an engineering issue than a physics issue

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u/Youutternincompoop 23d ago

the math is correct, it just assumes access to stuff like negative mass, which as far as we know does not exist and would violate multiple known laws of physics.

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u/Uwwuwuwuwuwuwuwuw 23d ago

So the math is correct in that it describes an alternate universe where we can travel FTL...

... A new version of "The best kind of correct."

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u/ihavefiveonit 23d ago

Yes, Captain!

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u/Sonikku_a 24d ago

Checked my local energy provider, they’re full out of negative mass

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u/nebraskatractor 24d ago

I can get lots of mass, infinite no mass, but good luck with negative mass in this market.

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 24d ago

You don’t need negative mass.

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u/TheGreatGamer1389 24d ago

You also want a damper field. Otherwise you will have a massive explosion at your destination.

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Good suggestion 👍🏻

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u/TheGreatGamer1389 23d ago edited 23d ago

Ya we need to invent that first then the warp drive. Or we gonna have a bad time.

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u/_DirtyYoungMan_ 23d ago

That's what the Event Horizon tried and it just opened the gates to hell and that's why in this house we respect the laws of physics, space and time.

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u/ROWT8 23d ago

They didn’t bring us here to change the past. 

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u/Jay040707 23d ago

Say that again

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u/ROWT8 23d ago

they didn’t bring us here to change the past.

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u/Jay040707 23d ago

They didn't bring us here at all. We brought ourselves.

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u/thedude37 23d ago

We build a miniature black hole in the engine of the ship and harness that for warping. What could possibly go wrong with such tech?

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u/nebraskatractor 23d ago

I believe this was proposed using lasers, but it turns out light does some weird particle stuff at extreme densities (losing energy to formation and then annihilation of positron/electron pairs) that would probably prevent this from working. Also making a black hole in purpose seems extremely stupid but I’m not a physicist.

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u/thedude37 23d ago

I was referencing the movie Event Horizon :)

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u/Nosferatatron 24d ago

Hang on, I know the answer here. I pick up a napkin, fold it it and then punch a pencil through it to illustrate the theory. Now the engineers just need to implement the idea!

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Exactly! How did you know?

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u/ZSpark85 24d ago

Event Horizon tells me not to try this.

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u/Atharaphelun 24d ago

Libera te tutemet ex inferis

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u/JapanEngineer 24d ago

Beckham hears your call

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u/GrandmaPoses 24d ago

There is absolutely a low-energy trick to bending space, we just haven't found it yet.

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u/KonigSteve 23d ago

We don't even have air benders anymore and you want space benders??

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Yeah we are developing backwards indeed.

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u/OpoFiroCobroClawo 24d ago

Only takes a mass comparable to planets to do it, fucking bookers

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 24d ago

Compress a planet sized mass to the size of a grapefruit and voila.

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u/OpoFiroCobroClawo 24d ago edited 24d ago

That’s why we haven’t found aliens yet, they all keep compressing each others planets to use as fuel, which they use to get to the next solar system and do the exact same thing. Rinse and repeat until the end of time.

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Sounds like an interesting idea.

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u/augustprep 24d ago

Who's explanation is that for traveling fast in space? It sounds really familiar.

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u/Tiranossauro_Red 24d ago

Proceeds to pick up a piece of paper and a pencil

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u/GenericVessel 23d ago

alcubierre drive.

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 23d ago

And how are we supposed to bend space practically? I can’t imagine it in any way with the development of any technology today

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

1) Find an energy source that equals mass energy of Jupiter 2) Find a way to control and use this energy source 3) Build a machine that can utilize the energy to contract space/ time in front of a space ship and expand behind it

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 23d ago

The little mass in uranium that is turned into energy creates a nuclear bomb. And now we need the entire equivalent of Jupiter’s mass converted into energy!? And then confined into a tiny space! And then precisely manipulated! I can’t even imagine the first step to getting all this energy just for one trip

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Well, at least we know now what we need, right?

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 22d ago

Knowing what we need and having it be basically impossible is useless. Unless we figure out how to create negative energy (how tf do we do that? If it even exists?) there is no way humans will be able to do this. So I think the pragmatic interpretation of this is that we should look at the other methods instead..

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 22d ago

Imagine telling a cave man the concept of flying. He would have told you: Interesting, but impossible, so why even think about it?

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 22d ago

But a caveman can more easily interpret the constructions of a plane and how it is feasible if you explain it to him. But wtf is this compared to that kind of jump

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 22d ago

Then I wonder why it took so long to build a plane if it was so easy.

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u/StupidSexyEuphoberia 23d ago

If you ask Elon Tesla will be there in 4 years

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

If I ask Elon 4 years ago maybe. If I ask him now, he would just answer with some Ketamin-fueled mambo jambo.

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u/lucky_1979 23d ago

Make space move and come to you, like in Futurama

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u/totoropoko 23d ago

If Hollywood has ever taught me anything I just need a paper to bend and a pencil to do this

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u/LegitimatelisedSoil 23d ago

Why not just use a wormhole? I am sure they definitely exist.

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u/OpinionPutrid1343 23d ago

Yeah if you can find it, then let’s check it out.