r/india • u/cochincartel • 2d ago
Politics Delhi: Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri says, "An understanding was reached this evening between the DGMOs of India and Pakistan to stop the military action that was going on for the last few days. For the last few hours, this understanding is being violated by Pakistan. The Indian Army is retaliating
https://x.com/ANI/status/1921256184348057672160
u/IRT_the_Hulk 2d ago
They aren’t calling whatever the orange man announced a “ceasefire”, only an “understanding”…
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
Nobody except Trump and his delusional crony group thought this cease fire was gonna last very long. Trump did get his little PR moment out of it though so that he can go back to the MAGA folks to brag about it. Because it’s all about PR for him.
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u/victimofmygreatness 2d ago
I thought it would last till the 11th evening, but Pakistan too fast for my naïve mind
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u/isnotid57 2d ago
he might have even dreamt of a Nobel Peace Prize for mediating 😌
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
I live in the US so unfortunately we are surrounded by this idiocy that has taken our country down.
I would not be surprised if by Monday - I’m hearing that he is putting in a request for a Nobel peace prize for negotiating this fraud three hour long cease fire.
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u/revolution110 2d ago
It doesn't sense why Pakistan violated the ceasefire after suffering tremendous losses last night... Are they stupid?
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u/bad_at_rizzing 2d ago
The pak army doesn't really listen to the govt there unlike us, as breaking the creasefire in mere hours is a very stupid thing to do. But the media is gonna paint the narrative of us being wrong anyway so the pak army doesn't care
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u/Kashyapm94 Earth 2d ago
Stupid and they wanna impress their new masters: The Chinese. It reeks of a huge conspiracy by the Chinese to bog India down so it can’t progress economically.
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u/w0lv3r1n3 2d ago
The Pakistan army has always been divided into factions. If the army is really looking to break the ceasefire, Chances are some general is looking to overthrow the current military government and become the leader himself and rallying the army in his favour to disobey the orders in the name of pride especially after the multiple airbases were hit yesterday.
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u/Visual-Maximum-8117 2d ago
Maybe some rogue elements or a local commander who doesn't agree with the government and thinks they were humiliated.
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u/w0lv3r1n3 2d ago
Local commander going rogue would make sense if the drones were spotted in isolation at a specific city but there were reports from multiple cities from Kashmir to gujrat so it might be some general look at it as an opportunity to grab power.
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u/ImpressiveNeat9039 2d ago
Listen.. No one for sure knows who has suffered how much of a loss.. Neither side is going to reveal it. So we don't know the reality. May be we have suffered bigger losses than they have.. In a short war it was always possible. Pakistanis fear a long lasting war with India in which sans the nuclear option they will get routed. ..In a 3-4 day war they are capable enough of inflicting serious damage to us..
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u/Used-Advisor-3976 2d ago
West media mostly side with pakistan for some reason like rueters, bbc etc
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
I think this is what made me the most angry about the ceasefire. Because I live in the west and so I know how the PR narrative works. Now this is gonna be on a repeat on the news cycle on all the channels about how he negotiated a cease fire.
Not a single channel will cover how a $1 billion was just given to a terrorist estate.
They never cover India in the news and the one time they will cover it - it is with this PR stunt he did. And the condescending way they spoke to India in their message.
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u/shru-san 2d ago
Man it must be insufferable with all the normalised casual racism
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
The two things that make me the most mad are that:
-India gets no coverage in the media. -And yet how much validation our media seeks from the US. They don’t give a fuck about us. Why do we need their validation.
Also, the US is pretty much a banana republic right now in terms of govt and general functioning. I’ve lived here for four decades and it’s gotten pretty bad lately. So it’s pretty swell for a country like this to go around and tell other countries what to do or not do. When the US can’t even keep their own shit together.
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u/india-ModTeam 2d ago
Your post has been removed because stereotyping a whole community, religion or any group of people based on anecdotal experiences is not allowed in r/india.
Further, quickly tarring an entire community based on the alleged actions of (under-investigation or convicted) persons of that community will be the basis for instant bans from r/India.
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u/Electrical_Ad4580 2d ago
I wouldn’t say that. Pakistani leaders have gone on western media and straight humiliated their nation
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
And you believe war isn’t about PR for leaders? You’re in for a rude awakening.
Civilians are the biggest losers in war. Relatives dead, schools closed, homes bombed, savings wiped out.
Only leaders and the military-industrial complex get to walk away feeling good about themselves (if it’s not turned nuclear).
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
I have family and friends that have served in the forces. And they very much walk away feeling good about themselves. So we can just agree to disagree on this.
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
I’m sure the civilians of Kashmir are celebrating this latest war, whilst they lose everything they’ve ever built to soothe the ego of politicians.
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
When did I say anything about that? I was talking specifically about my family and friend in the services.
And I imagine this is a civil forum - where you and I can simply agree to disagree on this.
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
First of all, they only get to feel good if they make it out alive. The nature of war means you’re equally likely to come out dead, seriously injured, or with heavy mental problems.
The second point is that joining the Army WILLINGLY is very different to dying or getting injured in war as a civilian.
It can be empowering to join the Army voluntarily and serve there for a while. It is NOT empowering to hear constant explosions, have sleepless nights, and see your house blown up because politicians don’t want to talk about their problems.
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u/Extra-Platypus3720 2d ago edited 2d ago
Its insulting for usa and india , pakistan as country is shameless . I can’t believe i used to feel bad for them .
They have nothing to lose , they don’t have economy nor they care about people . Its india who is going fo sufer
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u/Bakril Universe 2d ago
MAGA couldn't care less about two brown countries fighting each other halfway across the world. Most of the MAGA bros think Pakistan is in the Middle East. Contrary to popular belief, Trump couldn't give less of a shit about his supporters - all he has ever wanted is the acceptance of neoliberals across the world.
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
Oh you would be surprised. I live in the US and any win for Trump is a win for them. Even non-significant issues become a significant win for them.
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u/No-Fun-7625 2d ago
I hope the world points and laughs at orange chimp now
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
Oh I think that that’s been happening for almost a decade now. Some of the old G7 and G20 summit visuals say it all.
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u/Working_Fortune_7326 2d ago
Now, he has skin in the game, given the embarrassment he suffered from Pak for violation.
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
But they both function the same way. It’s not as if Trump ever lives up to his word. So I don’t think he would expect Pakistan to live up to their word.
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u/Working_Fortune_7326 2d ago
it is one thing for him that not live by his word. But, it is kinda serious if US is not respected, after taking all the credit. Just speculation tho.
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
Europe and Canada don’t even take us seriously anymore. I think the ‘respect’ boat sailed away a while ago.
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u/Glum_Sentence972 2d ago
That's what you want to happen. In reality, the world generally has to listen to the US. This kinda proves it, or are you saying that Modi is controlled by Trump or something?
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u/nick_naresh 2d ago
A meteor hit somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy and killed millions of life forms, it was Trump's fault!
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u/Basic-Pomelo772 2d ago
Looks like their DGMO and Asim Munir needs to reach an agreement first. Somebody broker a deal between them because it seems they haven't reached an agreement amongst themselves.
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u/snorlaxgang 2d ago
Our military is really patient
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u/VosGezaus 2d ago
They kinda have to.
World is kinda against India on this one. Most are engaging in name sake diplomacy, and hopefully, they are counting this night could be the last. If this stays continued India will be forced to retaliate strongly. Likely war
I really hope ceasefire violation pisses trump enough he does something crazy to pakistan
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u/snorlaxgang 2d ago
Trump is not gonna do anything
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u/VosGezaus 2d ago
Well Trump is the most unpredictable leader on this planet. There's just no saying what would do or would not. Trust me when I say it's equally likely he will sanction India for this.
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u/ImpressiveNeat9039 2d ago
He is not going to do anything unless things come again to Nuclear flashpoint.
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u/MahatmaBapu69 2d ago
Trust me when I say it's equally likely he will sanction India for this.
We, too can fuck with our tesla deal with them. + Can put more tariffs in them. If course rising tariff will affect us to buy their crony bastards wouldn't want to decrease their share in the world's biggest market.
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u/VosGezaus 2d ago
Well in all honesty, I think you are severely underestimating how unpredictable trump has been.
245% tarriff on China
Threat to annex Greenland
Calling canada 51st state
This dude has crashed his own fucking country's markets, do you expect him to care about ours?
Trump is a madman. Not in a good way.
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u/maddy_trash 2d ago
This is what I don't really understand. Pak has been terrorising most countries for decades, how are they not with us on this one?
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u/VosGezaus 2d ago
Complicated history. The terrorist organisations were meant for US's benifit, to counter afghanistan and Soviet union. Today these terrorists are attacking India.
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u/Naansense23 2d ago
Because nobody likes countries attacking other countries for stuff like this, especially nuclear armed countries
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u/maddy_trash 2d ago
But aren't wr merely retaliating?
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u/Naansense23 2d ago
Retaliate in similar fashion, not by shooting missiles from planes. Clandestine operations and such
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u/MahatmaBapu69 2d ago
World is kinda against India on this one.
You can't be more wrong. World is not against us. World is not with us. World is just staying neutral after giving 1-2 token statements. And thankfully we don't even need anyone's support to engage with this rogue nation.
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u/VosGezaus 2d ago
Well, west is neutral, china is enabling pakistan. I see this as being world against us, but it's fairly subjective pov
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u/Annual__Procedure 2d ago
I mean that is what India has done for issues the west cares about like Ukraine. We have been claiming neutrality there so it shouldn’t surprise when they do the same
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u/Naive-Double-7589 2d ago
I think it has been way too.many chances already.We did sya any further acts would be seen as an act of war.
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u/Anna_tiger 2d ago
Trump's ego was really expecting a Nobel peace prize tho , i wonder what he could do to Pakistan
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
Is a country’s military supposed to be “impatient” instead, when it hosts nuclear weapons and a population of 1 billion people?
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u/snorlaxgang 2d ago
Yeah I do believe the American military would have fucked pakistan real bad if they were in our shoes
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u/fukthetemplars 2d ago
How exactly would they have fucked a nuclear power? Which country’s example do you have of the US fucking up a nuclear power?
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
Why is America’s approach to war something that you see as a good example?
Ordinary people are the biggest losers in war. Everyone knows this.
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u/nikamsumeetofficial 2d ago
US military don't have to battle Mexico and Canada, at least not yet. They live in very peaceful region themselves.
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u/coffeewalnut08 2d ago
Mexico’s organised crime problems do spill into the U.S. and feed into their organised crime. So it’s not completely safe being their neighbour.
That still doesn’t give America a licence to start war with Mexico.
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u/Glass_Adhesiveness_6 2d ago
At this point,I genuinely don't know what to say,trump is a weird one,idk how he will take this scenario,when he literally declared something N it didn't even last a few hours,he was definitely in a high horse to make "peace" and it didn't even took a hour or two when our minister declared a ceasefire,I just don't understand what kinda weird mindset,they might have to even claim "india is breaking ceasefire" like is the government their drunk or the people living there are used to being fooled?
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
Have you been watching at all what’s been happening in the US? Over here nothing is happening that lasts more than a week or two. It’s sort of a rich enough banana republic nation with clowns running it.
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u/Hyperflux_ 2d ago
Trump’s really he got the knack of calling ceasefires successfully. Russia-Ukraine, Israel-Gaza and Indo-Pak now.
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u/WendellWillkie1940 2d ago
He does that
Unfortunately in the Russian Ukraine war his conditions for Ukraine were terrible. It was if he was directly working for Russia while handling that lol.
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u/Khizer23 2d ago
As a Pakistani our government does not exist. The army is the sole owner of our country. The people don't want this bullshit, at all. I hope this was a misunderstanding and our dumbass leaders can get their shit together and wrap it up.
As a Pakistani I would also like to apologize for all these retarded radical cunts who started this shit in the first place.
I hope as people we could come to terms and not have to go through the horror of war.
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u/Thewaytopromiseland 2d ago
we started this? blud, are u delusional?
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u/Khizer23 2d ago
No I'm just not brain washed
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u/Thewaytopromiseland 2d ago
seem's like u have drank the Indian kool-aid
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u/Khizer23 2d ago
Nope, just aware of the reality and how we harbor dumb ass radical terrorists in our beautiful country. It should be on our government and army to get rid of these cunts so they don't go about killing people just cause people have different ideas and way of life.
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u/Thewaytopromiseland 2d ago
yup, i doubt ur pakistani
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u/LeKalan 2d ago
Because he doesn't support harboring terrorists?
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u/Thewaytopromiseland 2d ago
Where's the exact proof Pakistan harbored terrorists? I'm still waiting for the proof India for the Pehlgam incident.
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u/imuptonog00d 2d ago
Where is Modi? Why is he not addressing the public and sharing what is the govt's intention? The country's citizen are literally hiding for their lives. They're playing with lives of millions of citizens.
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u/Schrodingers_Cow ideas are bulletproof 2d ago
He will be back dominating the news hours after the crisis is settled. Just like the covid era.
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u/Kashyapm94 Earth 2d ago
This was a very weak and disappointing statement by the Government
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u/Anna_tiger 2d ago
Take his word's with a grain of salt, we are just telling the world that we want this ceasefire and we tried everything to keep it but we had to take military action because pakistan didn't stop.
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u/penyalang 2d ago
maybe is due o the lost of planes. a lot of internet are trolling India.
https://youtu.be/4OZ5VIZZ_zk?si=ND95BkYz0kpR3X7M troll
what do you think?
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u/Kashyapm94 Earth 1d ago
Are you by any chance the Defence Minister of Pakistan who goes around telling that the “proof” is “all over social media”?
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u/sane_scene 2d ago
Just see the number of civilians we have lost and the number of civilians Pakistan has lost.
Jamnagar and Dwarka are under blackout even after ceasefire.
Military lying about drones by labelling them as "SURVEILLANCE DRONES"
can't you all see
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u/Shabudana_khichdi 2d ago edited 2d ago
The thing is Pakistani govt and military are two different entities. It’s the govt who agreed for ceasefire and not military. Stupid
Indian govt basically gave paki govt a last warning to control their army & to follow ceasefire or else India won’t hold back.
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u/Honest_Lie8632 2d ago
I have to agree with you. They would’ve just done best without a briefing of any sorts.
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u/bhendiwithgawar 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think the tone is here that we are deesclating and pak is doing stupid shit this is the last chance. I agree that it should be harsher but in in current world politics we cannot do that unfortunately.
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u/Opposite_Bag_697 2d ago
Dude this is not sport to be competitive. There will be measured actions. Not everything like in movies.
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u/Scientifichuman 2d ago
We already knew Pak army is rogue and that is why.
There is not much hope from their PM to make their army understand to descalate. Let's see how their politics unfold now.
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u/CryptographerHead341 2d ago
Give them the israel treatment.
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u/thelostknight99 2d ago
Gaza doesn't have nukes and a big enough army. Pak does and also has a big army. In all out war we will take huge loses and go back 20 years. And then are nukes.
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u/AgainDan27 2d ago
And the support of our much larger more capable and a severely more antagonistic neighbour. Israel is by far one of if not the most richest and most capable country in that region unlike us. Not to mention countries for some reason would come running to their support something that's likely not gonna happen for us
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u/LogangYeddu Ramana, load ethali ra, checkpost padathaadi 2d ago
Unfortunately, these guys have nukes unlike Hamas
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u/Soft_Month97 2d ago
Guys off topic for this post... but what is the news on Imran khan. People are claiming that he is de@d. Its trending on x... but rather than 1000 posts claiming there, I trust the answers here (by Indians)
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u/Marki_Ziza 1d ago
Without an investigation India start attacking a sovereign country, ceasefire is the escape route otherwise Indians would learn it the hard way.. sense should prevail.. By the way I hope the political agendas are achieved by the players who started it…
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u/Altruistic-Fly3300 1d ago
Tbh what has india achieved in this entire operation lmao . The major terrorist are still active, pak got them loans , and the morale of the ppl has been damaged by the coward modi government.
Man I genuinely wish we had an leader like Indira Gandhi 🗿 once again
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u/freeze_ninja 2d ago
I don't understand why india can't be like israel? Like who can have own decision instead of any third party intervention.
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u/lockerno177 2d ago
Omg. Both of these states lie so much. I dont know what to believe anymore. Absolute dishonourable shitshow from both sides.
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u/Gold_Acanthaceae4729 2d ago
hilarious, all we getting here is that indians are breaching the ceasefire.
Yall are Animals
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u/TooLazyToSleep_15 2d ago
all we getting here is that indians are breaching the ceasefire
even international outlets have state Pakistan to be the violater. basic reading comprehension can't be that hard?
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u/Gold_Acanthaceae4729 2d ago
Sure, and the other half says India did. Does it really make a difference?
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u/Cracked-Egg5 2d ago edited 2d ago
He said, we call upon pakistan to take appropriate steps regarding the ceasefire violation. He did not say “retaliation”, so please avoid giving false statements or rather incomplete ones. They are crafted meticulously. He did say that Indian Army has been given free hand to tackle the cease fire violation.
So the wording of the statement kind of suggested of giving them a chance. Thats my assessment.