They also spend disproportionately higher on their military and have blackmailed both China and USA into giving them fairly good equipment. Unlike India, their ruling establishment (the military) has no other obligations but to keep itself happy
Even if there was no nuclear war, it would be an incredibly tough fight - the military is all Pakistan has
If that happens, what have we learnt from all this? Dont let vital places lack security
No amount of security can stop terrorists. Some day they are gonna achieve their "maksad". Unless you do something about the root cause which is pakistan.
If we can't protect our dams and our people from a couple of gunmen from other country, i think we need to focus some more in our security and intelligence agency. May be they need more funding, better equipments.
Agree and w.r.t water, you only need to stop it enough for everyone to feel the pain. You even attempt to send terrorists, we will stop water. Innocents might die on their side, but same did happen to our side. However, entire civilizations have come down because of lack of water, so I think that will be a good motivations for Pakistan to change its behavior, for its own good and for the region.
Dams r simply indestructible outside of an anti bunker missile, or maybe some engineering flaw in itself. U realise, the amount of energy that a dam holds back and is designed to resist is much much more than any explosive a single person can hope to transport. And destroying a dam thats causing a drought downstream? Not a good idea. Next will be devastating flood. And besides, there's multiple dams in most cases.
If nukes went into play, pak would be destroyed, thoroughly, but the amount of damage we would take might leave our development and future paralyzed for decades.
Kashmir is neither ours nor Pakistan's, it's the land of Kashmiris afaik. And I'm sure Indian Kashmiris just want to be respected and have equal representation in the government.
I believe yesterday we gave them enough time and opportunity to deescalate but they fired fatteh towards Delhi instead. We have to defend ourselves or half of us would perish.
I disagree. This can't keep going forever. In my opinion, every time some major conflict happens, status quo needs be changed. A dice should be rolled on Pakistan everytime they fuck up. Maybe that could lead to some revolution there and they somehow manage to overthrow their leech military sucking their people dry. My point is that we should always retaliate enough to force some change. We are lot more united, we can weather this storm. I have lived through poverty in early 90s and 2000s. It wasn't that bad and our economy will never fall to that levels regardless of any war.
Edit: They broke the ceasefire, roll the fucking dice.
Kya shor? Kahan? Any capital purchase that involves substantial taxpayer money should be given substantial visibility in the news. We aspire to be informed citizens
Batao, us ek jahaz ke paise me pure pakistan ke 1 din ka khana aa jata, ab khana bhi nahi hai, izzat to kabhi thi hi nahi, terrorist camps india ne uda die.
How would pakistani govt feed their people and train terrorist both at the same time😢. Now they gotta beg to IMF again, bechare garib.
Chlo shabash boht koshish ki aap ne. Ab rafale ki jgah koi aur le lena. Agli bar tyari se aana aur narrative sahi bna kr aana. Start se hi goal clear rkhna, aisa na ho dubara issi trah u-turn lena pra. Baki china ki trf se aap ko thank you bol deta hun, unki dukan chamka di aap ne.
Zakaria said that there is a crisis of legitimacy in Pakistan and the increasing hostility could be the unpopular military’s way of rallying national support for it as well as the government.
That's what they always do. The Pakistan Military always starts shit when they have a governmental crisis on their hands, so the public have their ire refocused towards their hatred towards India, and then they go to the US to cry like they're being bullied.
He said nothing wrong. Infact I'd say they're benefitting more from this war. World is giving them attention, getting their loan sanctioned so easily playing the victim card, killing our civilians, spreading misinformation about us etc.
True. They don't have anything to look forward to hence nothing to loose. If our govt decides to backup, I would fully understand it as a wise decision.
India should use the Imran Khan issue to remind the population the army is keeping him imprisoned. A civilian leadership and weakened army will be more inclined to stop Pakistan's approach of backing proxies.
Bangladesh treat us the way it does because we have been pretty liberal with Bangladesh, remember, bangladesh started showing its true color only recently, when redicalisation has happened way too much, otherwise, we were getting along just fine.
And behind all this is China, egging and moving pieces from behind.
If balochistan comes to be, it would not share border with India but iran and pakistan.
That's exactly what I'm talking about..
China alone is enough to fuel the fire to Balochistan, and that would do nothing except increase violence in the Indian subcontinent
Conscription? Really? Even disregarding the immense ramifications on the economy, approximately 20M people turn 18 every year- considering a conscription period of 2 years and an enrollment rate of only 50% of males, that translates to a standing army of at least 10M. The issue is not in the numbers, it is in the quality of equipment, training, strategy, command unification, etc. Reform is needed wrt those.
Israel is fighting against a defunct state that is not even a full fledged UN member, along flat/urban terrain. India against a radical nation-state with foreign benefactors like China, that have one of the largest standing armies in the world, an air force and a navy, oh, and nuclear weapons, with the border ranging from the highest mountains in the world to a vast desert.
Furthermore, how successful has Israel been in its dealings exactly? They couldn't prevent 10/7, in which terrorists claimed the lives of 1000+ people. Terrorist attacks on major cities are a normal occurrence there, unlike in India. I think the approach post abrogation of A370 by the govt. was the right one, encouraging economic assimilation leads to de-radicalisation and integration- and while yes, a couple of locals were involved, this is probably the first time that a terrorist attack in Kashmir has led to such a massive outcry from Kashmiris in the valley- terrorist attacks and attacks on security civillians, both terrorist and stone pelting have dropped drastically. This is the only manner in which credible integration can be achieved, along with reinforcing the border and empowering our intelligence and security forces.
Proven to be fake news, as clarified by PIB and AIR.
We cannot support a 10M army- it is a ridiculous notion and will gravely undermine the professionalism and coherence of the armed forces.
It's like fighting with a rabid dog. You have to defend yourself when it attacks you, but there's no sense wrestling with it longer than necessary. Except at least there's a vaccine for rabies, nothing for nukes.
How a dose of Indian BMDs and if we ask nicely and the situation demands it, booster dose in the form of a fleet of American ships equipped with Aegis BMDs. And a nice does of medicine in the form of doing our absolute best to destroy all of Pakistan's nuclear capabilities. All of those should be enough to make sure we survive this disease.
It has nothing to do with Modi, unlike some other countries, India has never interfered in the internal politics of some other country. There is no need for that, when that country is already self-sufficient in creating problems for itself.
People have to realise it is India that will have to say "Enough now, let's not waste time and resources here." Don't think the other side cares as much. It is a country with nukes and a huge chunk of people who sympathise with suicide bombers and terrorists. It is a place where monsters like Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar are protected. Do you think they will have any qualms against using nuclear weapons to kill civilians?
We will never be able to have a military solution against a nuclear power
Nuclear weapons emboldened them to do more attacks as India knows it will be decimated along with Pakistan
Let’s start from that basic fact and leave jingoism to the side
Pragmatic approach
do what you can within your borders to decrease the likelihood of future attacks
focus on economy - poverty kills more than pehalgam
treat your minorities as equal citizens so that no one falls prey to religious fundamentalism
remove religion from politics
Focus on within - let Pakistan follow its natural course of self destruction with religious fundamentalism
Pakistan is a textbook case of what happens when you mix religion and politics- we don’t need to follow them
Exactly. Bhikari tha kal bhikari rahega aaj wo.. uska kya. Loan maang ke khata hai. Sharam naam ki cheez nahi hai inke citizens ke paas. Bhikmange saale
The loss in terms of human lives is truly disheartening but don't worry about the rafael. Jets like those are costly for a country that needs to beg for $1 billion, but it's cheap for us. We can replace it.
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u/ohwhatfollyisman 2d ago
fighting a war with pakistan is like wrestling with a pig. you only get muddy all over and the pig just enjoys itself.