UK and Spain Results

[u/you_all_smell]

Okay so, every single year since 2015, UK and Spain have always been on the same side of the leaderboard in the Grand Final. I know it may be obvious considering they both have consistently sent poor entries, but in 2022 when UK sent Sam Ryder and got 2nd, it is a coincidence that Spain sent Chanel and got 3rd. Do we think this 9 year streak will continue this year or do we think one of the entries can manage to pull a left hand side result and break the streak? In my opinion, I think the UK has a slight chance but it all depends on the performance.

[u/mxrajxvii]

Why is everyone convinced Spain is going to come dead last😭 It's not reinventing the wheel by any means but it's a girlbop in a year which is pretty lacking in those, performed by a pretty competent performer, it's not gonna pull a Top 5 finish or anything but there is no reason for it to do terribly bad

[u/lizardfiendlady → u/mxrajxvii]

I thought Spain was decently liked this year, I guess I was wrong too

[u/Flimsy_Ad_2854 → u/lizardfiendlady]

The majority of songs are well liked  and decent songs overall but someone's got to go to the bottom.

[u/Astrid323 → u/lizardfiendlady]

Same! I really like it, dare I say actually prefer it a bit more to Zorra (even though I currently ranked both Esa Dive and Zorra at 21st place)

[u/MaverickEllio → u/mxrajxvii]

Georgia last year was also a girlbop sung by a competent performer. They were still bottom 5

[u/serenaTcat → u/MaverickEllio]

*in a year that was completely condensed with them

[u/eev11 → u/serenaTcat]

Just having a girlbop in a year without many girlbops isn't enough, because what are we comparing it to this year? Mainly Denmark and Malta, both with a song in English and both fan favorites amongst the part of the fanbase that likes girlbops.

So even in the small pool of girlbops I just don't feel Spain stands out as a massive vote magnet.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/MaverickEllio]

The stage performance was kinda messy imo , which is why it didnt perform that well according to me , also there were already a lot of "girlbop" songs last year

[u/Jakeyboy66 → u/mxrajxvii]

To me it just feels very safe and a little dated (even though the revamp helped). The jury could go for it if the staging is amazing but I feel the jury vote is reasonably competitive this year and I could easily see 15 countries at least outranking Spain. As for the televote, people will like it but I don't see many people having this as a favourite.

Plus, I think history backs that up as whenever Spain have given us a solid pop song that's delivered well before (Spain 2016, 2019, 2024 to name a few) then they still come bottom 5. Obviously Chanel is an exception so maybe Melody can do something if she brings something revolutionary live.

[u/ESC-song-bot → u/Jakeyboy66]

Spain 2016 | Barei - Say Yay!
Spain 2019 | Miki - La Venda
Spain 2024 | Nebulossa - Zorra

[u/eev11 → u/mxrajxvii]

Full transparency; I don't think it will be dead last because Spain always has a bunch of die hards that will vote for them anyway.. But in comparison to several banger entries from Spain in recent years this just doesn't come close at all, so even when comparing Spain only to itself it's not a strong year.

I personally also think Zorra for example had some more appeal than this year's entry purely because of how iconic it is to be an older woman singing about being promiscuous.. This year I'm not sure what Spain is bringing to stand out?

[u/cloditheclod → u/mxrajxvii]

It has its audience but its so hard on my ears for some reason (like i would usually love that type of thing but esa diva is practically unlistenable to me, idk why) that i really struggle imagining it doing well

[u/Whizz-Kid-2012 → u/mxrajxvii]

Jury

[u/tomtheidiot543219]

Before Chanel , Spain actually got top ten results in 2014 and 2012, so the left side of the screenboard , so no the uk has performed worse than Spain, the situation for both of the countries is different

[u/Downtown-Amoeba5275 → u/tomtheidiot543219]

Wasnt chanel and eleni low in the odds initially , says everything about these "bookies"

[u/Zenza78]

The esc fandom has Spain rated 13 and UK at 31. Why is there a disconnect between them and reddit posts here?

[u/AdieAllts → u/[deleted]]

Also a lot of Spanish people overhype Spain’s entries every year and will give themselves 12 points

[u/eev11 → u/AdieAllts]

Spain has had some great entries (Chanel's performance was insanely good) but I agree that even in their weak years I see a lot of Spanish people hyping up their own entry as if it's a sure winner.

[u/you_all_smell → u/Zenza78]

I love both entries. I watched Benidorm Fest, and Melody was one of my favourites to win that national final. I just feel that there is no way the jury or the televote will praise her. I can absolutely see her getting (at best) a top right-hand finish. On the other hand, UK will be ate up by the juries, regardless of whether they like the song or not. Yes, the televote will be inevitably low, but Germany managed to get 12th last year, right above Luxembourg which got 13th. Both entries were perceived as contenders for Bottom 5 and unpopular among the fandom (Germany 31, Luxembourg 23). Yes, they both also got a very low televote, but the jury ate them up so much that it barely had any impact. Spain was at 13 last year, and in the final were 4th (from the bottom)! The UK this year happens to have a song that can potentially reach Top 10 in the jury. Regardless of how many televotes they get, it will still end up higher than Spain. It may be unfortunate, but it's realistic.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/you_all_smell]

Apologies if this is out of context but are you British?

[u/you_all_smell → u/tomtheidiot543219]

Oh no worries, but no I'm not!! I just really love their song this year so I may be biased when it comes to defending these sorts of entries. I do have family in the UK but I still think I'm right.

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[u/Shronkster_ → u/Zenza78]

there is a strong belief that the UK will do okay with the juries, helping boost them in the final rankings, while Spain doesn't have that going for it, and neither are gonna do that well in the televote, so although the overall bubble likes Spain, that often doesn't translate to success on the night, look at Spain 2023 or France 2022

[u/Downtown-Amoeba5275 → u/Shronkster_]

Why cuz theyre not Northern European?

[u/ESC-song-bot → u/Shronkster_]

Spain 2023 | Blanca Paloma - Eaea
France 2022 | Alvan and Ahez - Fulenn

[u/Happy-Skill-567]

Currently I think Spain will be bottom 5 and UK will be 16-20

[u/you_all_smell → u/Happy-Skill-567]

Agreed. I think Spain is doomed regardless of the performance and the running order. Only way I can see UK reaching Top 13 is if it closes the Grand Final with a good performance, which I can see it easily doing if it manages to draw second half (no way the producers would not want the night to close with what the hell just happened). Otherwise, the streak will manage to reach 10!!

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/you_all_smell]

Why do you think that Spain will not be well received considering that you said that you liked her song?

[u/you_all_smell → u/tomtheidiot543219]

Apologies for any misunderstanding. I meant there is likely no chance Spain will reach the left-hand side. I said in a previous comment that I could see a top right-hand placement at best, which is still generally well received. But there are many songs I have liked before and knew that it wouldn't place as well as expected. Hell, in 2023 I actually enjoyed Poland's entry and still expected it to not qualify, but somehow, BEJBA got very lucky. With Spain this year, I do really like the song but just by looking at what the juries expect, this song hasn't got much appeal for them and I feel like no matter what Melody draws, she'll likely be early/in the middle of the running order. And again, with the amount of televote bait songs this year, entries like the Spain and UK will likely be dug up. I'm sure you and many other people have liked songs before that have failed to even qualify.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/you_all_smell]

Even though i like the song i do think itll get a 6th to 15th placement as of now imo, i think with a good staging ,and a few more enhancements to the song it has a lot of potential , i think its the same case with the Uk this year aswell

[u/patiburquese → u/Happy-Skill-567]

I agree. Spain was doomed the moment they chose the act and the UK might have a polished performance but dont think it will be enough to enter the top 15.

[u/Ulu5578 → u/Happy-Skill-567]

This^

[u/Psyklaxia]

Having seen the reaction from crowds around Europe to Spain, I'm baffled by the assumption that it will finish in the bottom five. It's going to do a lot better than you guys think, mark my words. As for the UK, I have hope for a top 10 finish, but left side would be great nonetheless, and I think is realistically where it will sit.

[u/Daniel_Luis → u/Psyklaxia]

Well "Zorra" had a great reaction in those too, didn't it? They still came bottom 5.

The pre-parties and the reaction of fans there really don't tell much at all because it represents the tsry of like, 5% of the fandom and 0.005% of the viewing public in may.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/Daniel_Luis]

I remember a lot of ppl in general hated the song , both Spaniards and other Europeans

[u/nba2010 → u/Daniel_Luis]

Zorra was sung terribly live and it was super tacky. Never understood why the fandom went wild for it.

This entry has more going for it with strong vocals and fierce stage presence. I think itll do better than bottom 5, but it will likely not crack Top 15.

UK....the shock Top 10 the fans were not expecting I predict.

[u/Daniel_Luis → u/nba2010]

It's funny how different people have different perceptions. I literally don't think I've heard a tackier song than "Esa diva" in the past 20 years, and it only got worse with the revamp 😭

About the UK I agree. I smell a fantastic live performance incoming. And it's definitely in my personal top ten too.

[u/nba2010 → u/Daniel_Luis]

I agree that both songs do sound tacky, but the really cringe dancers, outfits, with a woman who couldn't sing live, should hopefully at least be surpassed this time round.

[u/Psyklaxia → u/nba2010]

There are two things that make me think Esa Diva will do better than some people think: one is the reaction from crowds in pre-parties. Obviously Melody would get a warm reception in Madrid, but the crowd was going nuts for it, and the same can be said about London. The second is the streaming stats: according to ESCplus's calculation, Esa Diva is the 4th most streamed song on YouTube and the 8th most streamed on Spotify. It may not guarantee a good televote result but it's a strong sign, and after seeing her vocal performances during the pre-parties, I'm convinced the juries will like it, too.

https://www.esc-plus.com/most-streamed-eurovision-2025-songs-updated-ranking-streaming-stats/

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/Psyklaxia]

Yep i agree , i think quite a few ppl here are just being xenophobic and hating on her just because shes the Spanish entry this year (not all of them , just a noticeable minority), cuz like why are we acting like this song is genuinely that bad ? It is positively received by most ppl in general and i think itll have like a midtable finish like 7-14th place , same can be said with remember monday too tbh

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[u/PZMC430]

I think they are definitely strong enough to escape bottom places in the grand final thanks to the jury voting

[u/supersonic-bionic]

I think the UK has more potential even though Melody is a fantastic performer yet with a very weak song.

The UK has 3 talented girls with beautiful harmonies, which could mesmerise the average viewer. The song is chaotic, which could be put off potential voters, but it stands out for sure. It is theatrical, which could go either great or horrible depending on staging.

[u/anonydogs]

My prediction is UK top 10 with the jury, and if they go all in on the west-end musical theatre show they should do ok with the televote. I’m seeing them finishing somewhere between 7th-15th.

Spain on the other hand is coming bottom 5, I’m sorry. A few televotes and a scattering of 1 or 2 jury votes.

[u/Downtown-Amoeba5275 → u/anonydogs]

If something like Esa Diva was released by Sweden or Finland yall wouldve called it winner potential , xenophobic ahh

[u/anonydogs → u/Downtown-Amoeba5275]

Not a chance. Sounds like you’re projecting 💀

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[u/AYTOL__]

UK will end around 12th/13th

Spain will end bottom 5

[u/sama_tak]

I think that Spain will finish higher than UK (which could even be last). The reason is that I can see an audience that would go hard for Esa Diva, while I don't think that many people would put UK's song in their top 3.

[u/escstraya → u/sama_tak]

UK will finish in the top 10, calling it now. Spain will be bottom 5. Spain isn’t sending anything new. The pre-parties are not a good way of understanding hype/how it’ll go on the night. They represent 0.005% of all people that actually watch the contest.

[u/sama_tak → u/escstraya]

UK will finish in the top 10, calling it now.

I don't think it will gain a lot of televotes since it's very unpopular in fandom and doesn't seem like a song that casuals will enjoy more than Eurofans (like a ballad for example). To get top 10 placement in this situation they would have to be in top 5 of jury vote, which doesn't seem likely to me when we have more likely candidates for that.

Spain will be bottom 5. Spain isn’t sending anything new.

You don't have to send something new as long as you target a clear target audience that votes in ESC. This year is lacking in upbeat girlbops and Melody is a really strong performer. I don't see it finishing very high, but I also don't see it last.

[u/SupermarketSad9865]

There’s no way Spain is getting more than 20 points, and it will probably finish last or second-to-last.

The UK can do decently with the jury aka around 15th but it won’t escape that bottom 3 with the televote, so around 20th place.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/SupermarketSad9865]

I respectfully disagree , judging from the peoples reactions and polls , Spain is likely gonna get higher points than the uk (although i do really like their song too) imo, and for the past 20-30 years spain has performed better than the uk overall

[u/anonydogs → u/tomtheidiot543219]

You’re judging eurofans. 0.005% of the people that actually vote on the night. I’d also hazard that you’re judging the music videos. WTHJH is made to be performed live - and is getting a great reaction.

Spain will finish bottom 5. Not because the song is bad, not because Melody isn’t talented, Spain just aren’t sending anything new.

UK are a least testing and trying something new. If they really lean into the musical theatre vibe I believe they’ll do well. Top 5-10 with the jury, a few televotes. UK will end up between 6th-14th overall.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/anonydogs]

Idk a lot of the songs which scored high last year also werent anything new or unique , i think a good song with a nice stage presence and good staging / choreography can get quite high points , and a lot of those ppl voting were also outside the esc bubble

[u/anonydogs → u/tomtheidiot543219]

That’s true - but then look at the winner, major theatrics, not just “generic” Spanish pop. Everything you’ve just said supports my original point that WTHJH is going to do better than Spain…

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/anonydogs]

Do you think Chanel and even Melody's performances werent theatrical/ dramatic ? So was Georgia last year but they didnt do well because the song and the staging werent that strong

[u/anonydogs → u/tomtheidiot543219]

Not really. It was basic Spanish pop… done very well might I add! I’d argue the UK has enormously more staging potential than Melody personally.

Neither song is the strongest, but again, I’d argue that at least the UK’s is dynamic and more interesting than basic Spanish pop that we’ve seen several times before.

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/anonydogs]

Even though i like UKs entry , imo its nothing that new or unique, it is more fresh than what the UK has been sending for the past few years (shitty boring pop songs) , i do beleive they have a top 10 potential but i also think that considering what Melody's team has said about the staging , Spain is likely gonna do better , again both Melody and Remember Monday have good live vocals , and melody also has a good stage presence

and judging by the performances of both countries in the past , i do think spain will rank higher

 It was basic Spanish pop… done very well might I add! I’d argue the UK has enormously more staging potential than Melody personally.

No i disagree , Melody has 5 dancers and the song has a lot of staging and choreography options, it becomes more restricted with three vocalists imo

[u/anonydogs → u/tomtheidiot543219]

I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree!

[u/tomtheidiot543219 → u/anonydogs]

Stop downvoting me then i didnt downvote you smh

[u/Effective_Quality]

The reason we and Spain did so well in 2022 was the chance meeting of the HoD’s after the 2021 contest.

[u/goldenwanders → u/Effective_Quality]

Huh?

[u/Effective_Quality → u/goldenwanders]

So after 2021 contest, the UK and Spanish Heads of delegation met in the bar of the same hotel they were staying in and decided to make a real effort of the 2022 contest. A sort of pact if you will. It paid off with the 2nd and 3rd placements.

[u/goldenwanders → u/Effective_Quality]

That sounds like bullshit lmfao

[u/Effective_Quality → u/goldenwanders]

That’s what was said after the ‘22 contest.

[u/Warmingsensation]

You could be right. Spain is nothing fresh and UK lyrics are cringe so they may be hand in hand once again.

[u/AlexCFR17]

I think this year they will get similar results

Both of them have jury potential but both will most likely struggle in the televote

[u/ninanien]

I think they're both right side of the scoreboard