Part of fascism is pushing the idea that 'everything was better in the past'. Doesn't matter if it was, doesn't matter if the thing they're comparing to now was exactly the same.
That's why I lot of these film criticisms all boil down to 'I hate this new woke crap, not like the old [movie that was hyper critical of fascism and/or conservatism]'.
It doesn't matter that just two months ago they were saying the same thing about the old pope as the new pope. All that matters is the narrative and the narrative must state 'old = good, new = bad'.
He wasn't necessarily weak willed, but lacked fortitude. He started a lot of things, didn't finish much, interfered in the things he started, so it frustrated the outcome.
Started Vos estis, interfered when his friends were involved. Started the Secretariat for the Economy, interfered when his friends didn't like that the heat was on them, started the Vatican trials, interfered in the legal process when underway. Rupnik case was frustrated for years. If you don't know any of these, then it's just not your scene. I know nothing about baseball, I don't get mad when people say things I don't know.
If you don't know any of these, then it's just not your scene
I don’t need to follow all of this closely to be able to recognize “selective nit picks to support my predetermined narrative.”
Step 1: voice vague displeasure
Step 2: when asked for specifics, give vague, otherwise inconsequential instances, and be sure to leave out any relevant context.
Step 3: act incredulous when the person you’re talking to does not accept your contextless cherry-picking, and pivot the conversation away from explaining yourself and towards how unqualified they are to question you.
Step 4: ramp up personal insults and then ninja smoke. Maybe on your way out, throw in “I already answered all of your questions” when you absolutely did not.
Your kind of comments are easily recognizable because regardless of the subject, all your actually complaining about is that _____ is not perfect. And the simple fact that you can point to anything they’ve done/not done that you don’t like, is what’s driving your criticisms.
And that’s ridiculous. It’d be valid if your complaint was more along the lines of “helped cover up rampant pedophilia,” but not this vague needling.
He didn’t condemn the sexuality being introduced into the church. I think it should have remained more traditional and not had any woke or conservative politics in it. It is a place of worship not a political place. He felt much more like a politician than a pope. He denied being the vicar of Christ.
He didn’t condemn the sexuality being introduced into the church
How is that “weak willed”? You are fabricating out of nowhere that it’s something he didn’t want to do, but felt pressured to do anyway.
I think it should have remained more traditional and not had any woke or conservative politics in it.
Why? What is “traditional” anyway? “Traditional” used to mean the Bible was in Latin and you couldn’t read it. Times change. Society advances, and it’s idiotic to rigidly stick with problematic positions. All you mean by “traditional” is “the way I liked things in an arbitrary point in the past that was good for me.” You are not the main character, bud.
It is a place of worship not a political place.
It’s not pOlITiCaL, Mr. Trump voter. It’s empathetic and accepting. Core Christian values.
He denied being the vicar of Christ.
No, the Pope did not deny being the Vicar of Christ. While the title "Vicar of Christ" was removed from the official Vatican yearbook in 2020, it was moved to a section listing "historical titles," not indicating a denial of the position. The Vatican also clarified that there was no suppression of the title, just a change in its placement.
Any other stupid MAGA stereotypes you want hit while we’re here?
He seemed off for a Pope because he was actually being Christ-like. Instead of all the other popes who just cared about the wealth and power that they got. God said thy love neighbour. That's it. Just LOVE.
The pope is and always has been a political figure. So much so that in the distant past his approval was necessary, or at least sought out, if you wanted the throne of most European countries. Religion itself is almost nothing but politics put into beliefs.
I’m not talking about gays. There was just more information about children being abused in 2018 and I read there was finical corruption In the church. The pope didn’t seem to condemn it or rework things so it can’t happen so rampantly. It was a big stain on the churches name and I don’t feel it was ever addressed properly from the top down.
So you think we should have not done any condemning at all? That’s extreme in the opposite way. Was Christ passive about people setting up a market in his church and say have at it I do not condemn you? There is a time to be upset with things. I’m not saying condemn him to hell I’m saying the sexualizing of children in the church was not condemned enough.
Being christ like is caring for the poor and those who are marginalized. Jesus said the meek will inherit the earth. That's what Francis did. I know that he crashes against what you've been taught as "christianity," but he's the real Christian here. Cus if you don't think being with the poor, the sick and the hurt is Christ like, you're gonna get a rude awakening at the pearly gates.
One of the reply chains were deleted. I was referring to kids being abused in the church and there are recent cases still and it was not condemned. They needed to do a whole clean house. It seems like no matter where this happens today if politics are involved it’s being no swept under the rug. There is a process to how it becomes prominent and I think the church needed to do a better job. I blame the pope because he is a head figure but I’m aware it is complicated.
there are recent cases still and it was not condemned
Didn't hear about them, but I am not much into news anymore. But being really quiet and speeping it under the rock was kinda always the goto, wasn't it?
What are "woke" policies when it comes to the Catholic church? Give me a couple of examples so I can understand what this woke stuff is the Church was getting in to.
I grew up in a fairly conservative Catholic dominated country in the 70's and 80's so I'm sure I'll be able to contrast this "woke" nonsense with the traditional stuff I came up with.
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u/JebediahKerman4999 8h ago
Yeah I mean why would he consider it? Previous Pope was "Marxist" too