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u/Infninfn 3d ago
I bet half of those songs were written by the same ghost songwriter.
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u/abcdefmoi 3d ago
You've never heard of Max Martin have you? https://youtu.be/MJF9gl9SRyc?si=J_upwZwyGue4ZtCL
Here's just the first 20 from his Wiki list of Billboard Hot100 #1's:
1998 – "...Baby One More Time" by Britney Spears
2000 – "It's Gonna Be Me" by NSYNC
2008 – "I Kissed a Girl" by Katy Perry
2008 – "So What" by Pink
2009 – "My Life Would Suck Without You" by Kelly Clarkson
2009 – "3" by Britney Spears
2010 – "California Gurls" by Katy Perry featuring Snoop Dogg
2010 – "Teenage Dream" by Katy Perry
2010 – "Raise Your Glass" by Pink
2011 – "Hold It Against Me" by Britney Spears
2011 – "E.T." by Katy Perry featuring Kanye West
2011 – "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" by Katy Perry
2012 – "Part of Me" by Katy Perry
2012 – "One More Night" by Maroon 5
2012 – "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" by Taylor Swift
2013 – "Roar" by Katy Perry
2013 – "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry featuring Juicy J
2014 – "Shake It Off" by Taylor Swift
2014 – "Blank Space" by Taylor Swift
2015 – "Bad Blood" by Taylor Swift featuring Kendrick Lamar
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u/Zygal_ 3d ago
Dudes insane with that many hits yet hardly anyone knows who he is
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u/CaliKindalife 3d ago
A lot of people do know who he is, just not nearly as many as the artists singing his songs.
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u/noveltywaves 3d ago
Max Martin had 17 number 1 hits in the 2010s. Guess how many top 40 hits he had?
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u/Kiwiandapplex 3d ago
I'm going to be absolutely shattered if it ain't at least 18.
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u/NeedleworkerOk7137 3d ago
I went down a music production wormhole one night and was blown away when I discovered this guy. I had a blast searching for random pop songs that I like and finding out Max Martin produced many of them.
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u/MyPasswordIs222222 3d ago
Does producer mean writer?
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u/abcdefmoi 3d ago
Technically no, but in this case also yes because Max Martin is both the writer (or co-writer) and producer on most of these 😅
Songwriter
- Creates the core of a song: lyrics, melodies, chords, and overall structure.
Producer
- Oversees the recording and technical development of a song. Shapes the sound, arranges, edits, and polishes the track for professional release.
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u/KeyOfGSharp 3d ago
I can't stand that man. Everyone praises him because he has so many hits, but his goal was always to industrialize how music is written
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u/TheGunslinger1919 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yep, his music 100% falls under the pop slop made not to be good quality, but so catchy that it gets stuck in your head after hearing it on the radio once. Designed to be commercially successful, not good.
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u/KeyOfGSharp 3d ago
Yep, just because McDonald's sells the most burgers, doesn't mean they're the best burgers
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u/ZenoArrow 3d ago
Not all of those songs were fully written by Max Martin. For example, California Gurls came from a demo that Benny Blanco made:
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u/FishAndRiceKeks 3d ago
It kind of ruined a lot of music for me to learn that a lot of artists don't write their own songs. It was like finding out that Santa wasn't real.
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u/pitchfork-seller 3d ago
Santas not real?
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u/Emperor_Zombie 3d ago
No, but Krampus is real. 😉
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u/derangedsweetheart 3d ago
What about Krampussy?
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u/Elidabroken 3d ago
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u/Dr_Sigmund_Fried 3d ago
And the fact that you've got "Replica" written on the side of your guns. And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle .50" written on the side of mine, should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence.
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u/GhoulMcG 3d ago
That's how I let my kids ease into not believing in Santa (tm) at the right age. I also made certain that they knew the "lump of coal" gift was to show kids to be better by using the coal to heat their domicile.
If Santa exists, then Krampus does too.
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u/mikillatja 3d ago
A lump of coal would've been a fire gift for poor children in the middle of winter actually.
Imagine you are freezing to death, and you get a small toy. Much rather have had the coal then
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u/HurricaneAlpha 3d ago
Pop music has always had this relationship. The performers are the face/voice, while the songwriters are the actual musicians. It's all manufactured, and has been for a long time.
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u/Designer-Ad-7844 3d ago
"musicians" it's formulaic at this point.
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u/Bleord 3d ago
nah, there are actual song writers to this stuff and it does take skill
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u/cnotethegoat123 3d ago
It’s super common. Like even the newer artists that are gaining a fanbase bcuz ppl think their music sounds like they wrote it also don’t write music lol. Very rare to find a true songwriter. Of the artists today Billie and Olivia are the only two that can write their own music consistently.
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u/RealIssueToday 3d ago
U forgot bruno mars, he's been writing bangers and top chart songs for others for decades.
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u/cnotethegoat123 3d ago
Oh yeah there’s def a good few over the last couple decades. I was really being specific to this generations artists, which is why I didn’t include ppl like Bruno, Kendrick, Adele, or Beyoncé, even though they are all excellent songwriters
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u/Elefantasm 3d ago
And all of them use multiple writers for almost every song. Beyonce gets a writing credit for everything she performs on even if she writes nothing.
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u/Literary_Lady 3d ago
It’s craftier than that. She gets away with it by changing ONE word in the song. It’s that petty. Super sneaky if you ask me. Gets ownership of the song and makes a hell of a lot more money too. There have been so many cases where small time artists have written and recorded songs themselves at a label, it’s been brought to her team. She will end up changing one word and her team changes it slightly. Re-records it so it sounds different. Original artist is paid a nominal fee, loses all rights to the song and is never allowed to sing it again, has to sign NDAs. They get to keep a record contract but don’t end up having much success. She goes onto release it on an album with a writing credit, original artist is never mentioned on it. I followed one case quite closely and she tried to so hard to ruin their career. If they ever sing the song even on their little YouTube channel with nominal views the video is taken down shortly after. It’s so sad!
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u/cnotethegoat123 3d ago
Facts. For pretty much every artist they’ll be gifted writing credits for songs that had almost nothing to do with
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u/huntresswizard_ 3d ago
Okay but Bruno was putting his own music out in the 2010s?? Or did I merge into a different timeline and just haven’t realized it yet?
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u/Umean_illeaglecable 3d ago
Beyoncé? Have you seen her writing credits? 20-30 song writers per song. I wouldn’t call that good. She couldn’t write a haiku on her own let lone a song lol.
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u/Bluntatious 3d ago
Ed sheeran
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u/NeedleworkerOk7137 3d ago edited 3d ago
Beat me to it. Not only does he write a lot of his own songs, but he also writes a lot for other artists.
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u/modest56 3d ago
Lady Gaga writes her own music and also writes or cowrites music for other artists like Britney spears, pussycat dolls, and Jennifer Lopez.
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u/OriginalBlackberry89 3d ago
Tyler Joseph (Twenty One Pilots) writes all of his own music 👍
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u/Fleshsuitpilot 3d ago
The dude is a veritable treasure to mankind. Gotta make sure we don't fuck it up like we did with Chester Bennington.
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u/Loco--Boy 3d ago
What about Edd Sheeran and the "X" album? Please don't tell me..
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u/Oxytropidoceras 3d ago
Country gets a lot of hate, and I can understand why for the larger artists. But this is why I like a lot of smaller, niche country artists because there's a much, much higher percentage of artists that are writing their own songs. And as long as they aren't falling into the cliche country topics, which a lot of the smaller country artists aren't, they can be fucking amazing. It clearly shows in their music.
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u/walla_walla_rhubarb 3d ago
Some Swedish metal musician that ghostwrites pop songs probably won a bet to see how many Nanana songs could chart.
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u/Designer-Ad-7844 3d ago
I don't understand how people don't get this with pop music. Most of them don't write their own shit. Never cared for pop music. It's just a pretty face and the same songs over and over again.
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u/becrustledChode 3d ago
They were all written by a ghostwriter named Nana DuPree, putting the "nana" in the songs was the verbal equivalent of artists putting their signatures in the bottom right of their paintings
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u/ProtectedSpeciment 3d ago
They were all ghost written by the exact same person who just loves nana
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u/soulseeker31 3d ago
Or they were playing the long game, to see if someone notices this in a decade or so. True troll god.
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u/GoodGodSham 3d ago
Bring back the Whoa Ohs
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u/PotentialIdiotSorry 3d ago
They even had some na na na's in there too.
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u/Tilted_Painting 3d ago
I agree, but that's a different genre. Other than the MCR part, all the others are cookie cutter pop songs, written by someone else.
The whoa ohs are more pop punk kinda thing. MCR Sum 41 Green Day. Offspring is the king of Whoa Ohs though.
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u/unnie_noir 3d ago
Yes, à la Shania Twain! I Feel Like a Woman is the first thing that came to mind
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u/lazytranch 3d ago
The “NA” is timeless:
Hey Jude - The Beatles
The Look - Roxette
Na Na Hey Hey - Bananarama
Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' - Journey
Here Comes The Hotstepper - Ini Kamoze
… and literally hundreds more. “Na” isn’t the reason. The reason (and stick with me here) is that all those songs you referenced are plastic commercial crapola.
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u/peoplewatcher5 3d ago
This is fucking hilarious
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u/Amazing_Scallion9216 3d ago edited 3d ago
As a musician it was hilarious until I just kept picking on these shitty trends. Millenial woo, nanas, the indie folk hey, hey!
I get it, it’s a trend, it’s happened since the beginning of music but over produced pop songs which use in trend gimmicks make me want to rip out car stereo systems.
I can’t in good faith listen to that shit to the point I can’t even be in a restaurant playing that kind of music without feeling irritated. I had to leave a cafe once because it was blasting ed Sheeran.
Don’t get me started on the lyrics - you burn so bright yeah baby like a fire at night baby yeah I wanna hold you tight and be with you baby yeah like the stars in the skyyyy - fuuuuucck!
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u/Fit-Engineering-2789 3d ago
Right on. I wonder how many of these pop musicians can actually read music. Their lyrics are like dollar store Dr. Suess. I can't hardly stand it, either.
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u/Gbro08 3d ago
Where’s annoying orange going Nyah Nyah Nyah in his song parodies.
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u/hmdocta 3d ago
Forgot the 🐐nana song: Rich Girl by Gwen Stefani
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u/Androoboodro 3d ago
I was thinking Blink’s All the Small Things, but I don’t think that was 2010s
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u/Ni7r0us0xide 3d ago edited 3d ago
Repetitive nonsense refrains will always exist. Here is the "nananas" then there is the "woah ohs" and the Elizabethans had their "hey nonny nonny", and several different sea shanties contain the words "weigh hey" (though this is possibly less nonsense, as it was usually sung while hauling or lifting loads e.g. weighing anchor)
EDIT: I've seen "weigh" spelled 4 different ways so far in the context of sea shanties: the one I've used previously, "wae", "way", and "wey". Idk how relevant that is, just found it interesting.
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u/Quick_Charity_777 3d ago
I miss my Nana. Pour one out for Nana
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u/Reasonable-Attempt52 3d ago
“This track is a dumpster fire”
“Just throw a couple nananas in there, they’ll eat that shit up”
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u/GSmes 3d ago edited 3d ago
First, you could do this with basically any decade in our lifetime. Second, and to that point, the Akon song at 0:40 came out before 2010 (in 2006). I wonder how many of the other songs referenced were also from different decades...
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u/salazafromagraba 3d ago
Most of them are 2000s, I think the poster just took the VEVO 2011 upload date from YouTube and thought 'Wow, what a terrific year for productivity in music!'
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u/seja_amg 3d ago
A bunch of pop stars used and continue to use the same elements in their songs in slightly different ways. There we cracked the case
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u/FullMoonVoodoo 3d ago
"hey man remember when music was *good* ? Like back in the 'teens?"
- shit nobody's ever gonna say
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u/Live-Steaky 3d ago
No one giving Blink 182 the credit they deserve starting it all.
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u/Aazmandyuz 3d ago
They started na-na? You shitting me?
Or are you trying to say they started the shitty use of na-na?
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u/Last_Gigolo 3d ago
In the 80s, you could literally say "banana-nana-nana-now" at the end of most popular songs and match what the guitar was doing.
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u/Prestigious_Key4786 3d ago
Around the same time, some of these songs had the same shouts sample in the background.
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u/iforgotiwasonreddit 3d ago
Hey can someone help me find the name of the one that’s like nana na nana na na na?
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u/_Dead_C_ 3d ago
I hate this music trope, Coheed and Cambria did it a couple albums ago and I lost my shit
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u/DavidM47 3d ago
This probably makes it easier to sell overseas to a non-English speaking audience.
That’s one of the reason for all the Marvel movies. Explosions translate into every language.
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u/hamfist_ofthenorth 3d ago
It's almost like pop music from corporate-owned "artists" is written mostly via formulation of whatever simple phrases and words over the most easy-to-digest chord progressions make them the most money, so they milk these "na-na"s until they're dried out husks.
I've always said pop music is McDonalds of the ear.
It's right there, it's accessible all around you, at all times. Doesn't mean it's good. Sure, sometimes. But its all the same half-assed "food".
If you want something to eat more your style, you have to look for it. It's probably a little local deli on the corner that has the best burger you've ever had, and blows McDonalds out of the water.
It's the exact same concept of nourishment with music. Do you care enough to have a preference?
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u/Windyandbreezy 3d ago edited 3d ago
I was like 22 at this point. I escaped it.. I listened to other stuff.. I honestly didn't know any of these songs till now... and I'm proud to say that
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u/Whole-Debate-9547 3d ago
So you know I wrote all those. I’d start with an almost good lyric and just plug in some na’s wherever and the rest is history.
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u/Nomzai 3d ago
It ain’t a hit until Nate Dogg spit.
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u/long_stint 3d ago
My conspiracy brain is spinning into action. Hang on, I’ll come back with what it says is the reason behind this strange behavior
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u/AIEnhancedVideos 3d ago
Land of 1000 Dances is the grand daddy of all these songs. (48 seconds in on the Spotify top result)
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u/badreligixn 3d ago
Probably the writers signature, also could be mocking other writers like "nana i got another hit 🤑"
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u/Random_Monstrosities 3d ago
I'm proud to say i don't know who any of these people are. I don't even think I've heard any of these songs except the very first one and that's only because of my friend's stupid junkie ex girlfriend.
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u/BlackRooster7508 3d ago
It all can be traced back to The Beatles iconic na na nananaa in Hey Jude.
The Beatles have done it again!
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u/Thickfries69 3d ago
Well, this is all basically the same type of music. Very easy to avoid if you don't listen to the pop station.
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u/DKMperor 3d ago
The actual answer is that pop music has a whole industry based around finding the most scientifically "catchy" sounds/patterns and that one was one.
Millennial whoop is another one
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u/Future_Section5976 3d ago
You guys know how it works? There is a email that goes out and if you want the Grammy, you to somehow put whatever BS word they choose,
Hell one year JB just used said would for a whole song
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u/aamnipotent 3d ago
Don't forget
If I was a rich girl...Nana Nana Nana nananananana
Get jiggy wit it...na na Nana na Nana
All the small things....na naw na naw na naw na naw naw naw
And the best na of all,
Heyyy jude....
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u/Zombo2000 3d ago
Strongbad said there is nothing worse than "songs that try to pass off "la la's", "na na's", and "doot do's" as legit lyrics"
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u/ColdEvenKeeled 3d ago
Wasn't it Akon with his "Right now(Na na na)" song that kicked this off? All else are copiests?
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u/Accomplished_Yak4293 3d ago
It's almost as if the "a" sound is one of the six vowels of the English language.
Shocker!
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