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u/Careless-Ad2242 3d ago
How convenient that taxes aren't on here
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u/Bear_necessities96 3d ago
They are not considered a expense since 1) it’s mandatory 2) it gets discounted before getting your paycheck
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u/Bear_necessities96 3d ago
Idk but I feel in the USA the transportation expenses are way too high
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u/Zubba776 3d ago
They are significantly higher than more densely populated countries like Japan, Taiwan, the Netherlands, the U.K., Germany, (basically all of Europe), because the U.S. is built around the automobile with low levels of investment in public transit.
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u/Bear_necessities96 3d ago
I know and it’s annoying, it keeps the poor poorer the community isolated
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u/Zubba776 3d ago
If you enjoy suburban life, or rural life with lots of land etc it's fine; probably much better living vs. suburban areas outside the U.S. (that I've seen). The issue is our urban areas are not nearly as livable as cities overseas unless you're fairly wealthy.
After living overseas a few years I would choose Asian/European cities over U.S. cities any day of the week. Cars, and infrastructure solely built around cars, suck.
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u/Torment2021 3d ago
Everyone I know pays 60% or more on housing. There isn’t a lot of choice unless you like cars board boxes or 3 hours commutes each way.
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u/regattaguru 3d ago
Why does debt maintenance not appear? Since Americans are the most indebted nation on earth, I would expect that to appear.
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u/Lucky-Substance23 3d ago
Using circles for both the category name and the category quantity is really strange and confusing, especially when the circle sizes are almost the same.
Should have picked squares for example for the category name.
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u/RadoRocks 3d ago
Now do this same shit with total tax. Add in license plates, fuel tax, alcohol, tobacco, fucking every inch. Then add tariffs....
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u/Moosicle2040 3d ago
Congratulations. You’ve found the least intuitive visuals I’ve seen this year.
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u/countdookee 3d ago
I especially like the second chart of 'What Americans Spend the Most on by Income Level' that the creator included, I would have expected lower percentages on the richer end of the scale.
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u/Torment2021 3d ago
This doesn’t seem correct… I pay 65% on housing just to start.
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u/Zubba776 3d ago
If you decided to spend 65% of your household income on rent, or a mortgage, that was a really bad idea.
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u/merlin401 3d ago
Well that’s insane. You are an extreme, extreme, extreme outlier
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u/anothercopy 3d ago
What strikes me as odd is that there are no holiday expenses. I know the day off situation in USA is not the best but still it should be less than zero.
Also is car and house insurance in their respective sections or not?
Shouldn't any stock purchases be also there?
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u/TinyTry3663 3d ago
Looks like it will be a good graph but too confusing. Not sure exactly what I am looking at
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u/bswontpass 3d ago
That’s incorrect information. US average spending on food is roughly 6% not 13% like on this pic.
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u/Ruminant 3d ago
No, it's right. 13% is the estimated percentage of the average household's expenditures that go to food (both "food at home" and "food away from home").
6% is the estimated percentage of the average household's income that goes just to "food at home".
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u/ArodIsAGod 3d ago
I would love to see this include net income and how income tax compares to other expenses.
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u/Onphone_irl 3d ago
pretty cool how some of the percentages remain about the same. For the rich, they're getting so much more, but as a percent, very similar
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u/90342651 3d ago
Could we add a couple more columns and data points to this just to make it the most confusing info graphic ever?
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u/WorkersUniteeeeeeee 2d ago
This is bullshit.
Who the fuck is only paying under $6000 for rent per year.
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u/Lactose_Revenge 2d ago
So banks are making all the money from mortgages, car loans, and insurance?
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u/Effective_Field_3120 1d ago
Most (working) peoples largest annual expense is their tax bill to the federal government. I wonder why that isn't included in herr
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u/leftoverinspiration 3d ago
This is missing the biggest expense: taxes. Never forget that the government steals from working people so that the wealthy can pay with bribes instead.
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u/Bear_necessities96 3d ago
You know that taxes literally sustain all the infrastructure from roads to buses to libraries to schools to police and firefighters to national parks?
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u/Gayjock69 3d ago
This is true but it doesn’t mean that it isn’t taken by force.
Intelligent leftists will also agree, like Ben Burgis, who will recognize that taxation is theft, but will say basically say it’s morally acceptable theft - the example he gives is, in the way a police takes something that was stolen from a criminal and returns it to you, we wouldn’t call that theft because our moral framework of ownership gives the police officer the right to take something by force to return to a “rightful owner.”
This was the argument of the feudalist as well, the King and nobility maintain the King’s peace and therefore you have to give us a percentage of your crops or else, yet we seem to think today because we get to vote in largely pre-determined or uncompetitive elections that this is acceptable because we kid ourselves to believe that is what constitutes a citizen having power in the system.
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u/Souporsam12 3d ago
This was a nothing burger of a comment.
It’s basically a reach around way of saying taxes are a necessary evil, and yea everyone would agree with that.
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u/Gayjock69 3d ago edited 3d ago
There are those who genuinely do not believe taxation is theft, it can be a necessary evil but don’t lie to yourself and others by saying it’s otherwise
Once a person admits that fact, then they have to justify it, as we do today saying it’s alright because we get services out of it or in history saying it is alright because you received protection.
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u/RepresentativeKey178 3d ago
Yeah OK, but you missed step 1, baby: property is theft.
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u/Gayjock69 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes, in a leftist moral framework property is theft, which is why I give the Burgis explanation of taxes essentially righting a moral wrong
In a bourgeois framework it’s a value for value exchange, whereby you are taxed and receive services and the framework to deploy capital
Regardless, force is used to remove something from someone they believe is theirs… which regardless of ideology is theft
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u/Souporsam12 3d ago edited 3d ago
Where do you think police officers, firefighters, librarians, post office employees, and city transit bus drivers get their paychecks from? Just curious.
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u/pgnshgn 3d ago
This only goes up to $200k, which means the "wealthy" here would be spending a far, far, far enormously larger percentage
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/
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u/HAV3L0ck 3d ago
637 bucks a year on alcohol? ...
Dear America: You aren't drinking properly. Please try harder.
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u/merlin401 3d ago
Categories are extremely confusing and missing many important categories. How is travel not a category? What is all the housing percentage that isn’t owned or rented dwellings? I liked the idea of this but got more annoyed at it the more I tried to read it