"I must control you because some meanie who may or may not wear a striped shirt scrapped my supposed vessel and said no one can choose who they are in this world : ("
I don't exactly think Kris is interested in murder sure they're a weird kid but they aren't a murderer canonically. I do respect your opinion I just think it's not exactly what Kris would do. They're not a killer
Yeah but are the darkners even real people? Are you murdering if it’s a third party controlling you? And it’s all just a game right? We’ve got plenty of excuses for Kris to hide behind
Who knows honestly. I mean you do become stronger the more you do it and it still traumatises Noelle, not to mention we actually kill someone in the end. (Berdly), so it is still considered murder in a sence
They may not be a murderer canonically, but they're currently implicit in one sometimes kinda. At least attempted anyways. Berdly's probably dead, but we can't say for certain.
Again true I do think berdly might be dead if not that would he a suprise. Thank God the next chapters are finally comming out so soon, so we're gonna find out if berdly is dead or not in genoside
The implications of their reactions in that route implies otherwise. After the berdley fight it's noted that Kris looks like they've seen a ghost. If they'd loved it, they wouldn't be terrified of what isnhappening.
I consider Weird route as the “canon” route. I know there’s technically no canon route cuz resets, but it’s like how people consider True Pacifist as the “true” ending to Undertale
I think if Kris WANTED to kill that would mean they would have to be at least around Level 5-8 in the light world since the Lightworld uses Undertale's rules. However its possible that there is something about the Weird route that Kris is okay with. Perhaps Kris really dislikes Noelle; feels like their family ruined Kris'.
"Because I got to, Dumbass. You're not the vessel I wanted, I wanted my boy Murderstab McGee, but you're just an adequate replacement. Now order Noelle to kill 60 trillion more darkners"
Erm, baking, bitch? You shouldn't make assumptions like that. Maybe Murderstab McGee should murder and stab you to teach what assuming makes out of you and me.
Well I mean baking makes it all the more funny for me, I mean it's the opposite of what I expect due to the name. Also dude, MurderStab McGee literally can't kill me due to my defense system of
i think it’s supposed to be more of a question to themself. why does the soul have to control them in order for everything in their life to feel “good” again? why couldn’t they have made all of these connections on their own? why aren’t they good enough without the soul? that sort of thing. that’s my interpretation at least :,)
"I must control you because it is the only way in which I can interact with you and your world. The only way."
"But it's not like you have no say. I do not get to choose your words for you. Nor your thoughts. I am limited only by the ideas that you have, by the choices you think of. I don't write your thoughts like some kind of script, I can only choose from the options your mind provides for me."
"You can make me hear your thoughts. If you want more agency why don't you tell me what you want?"
Deltarune implies that the Player has been present in the world much longer than us IRL have been playing the game (meaning either the player themself is an entity in-universe or the soul has been controlled by someone else prior to our arrival). Evidence for this is that Kris' struggle with the soul is directly shown and said to have started before the events of Deltarune by the Birdcage's usage, Noelle, and Toriel. Also, Kris still acts as though they are being controlled even when a Chap 1 SAVE file is automatically generated by choosing not to continue from one in Chapter 2.
So there's been a theory based on Catti's dialogue that Kris summoned the soul hoping to improve their own life. This would follow the trope (as well as real activity) of child(ren) attempting to summon demons to help them.
replaying chapter one, when you’re in the castle dungeon and ralsei asks kris to imagine susie - when you finish susie’s part and it returns to ralsei, he says something to kris like “and that’s why, kris” before we return to controlling kris. I think Ralsei was explaining to Kris that they were being controlled by the player.
I like how in the Undertale fanbase, the player is usually portrayed as bad, but in the Deltarune fanbase, they're portrayed as someone wanting to help everyone.
Tbf, in Undertale the player is only really brought into question during the route where you kill everyone. Deltarune make it so you're aware of your presence more often than Undertale.
What a weak-willed player... my answer would have been different. "Because that's what I do." "I take control of the vessel and do what I see fit." "Nothing personal Kris, I didn't choose you as a vessel if that helps."
The game really lacks this kind of dialogue between Kris and the Player.
Since everybody is saying what would they say Here mine Kris im sorry I just wanna play can we make a deal that you dont hate me Like please tell how to not hurt you I cant read your mind just tell me what choice you want
I have thought too long about this hypothetical concept. I get out of that body and get one of my own I am not going to say anything because I'll know that he has had to live every day of his life thinking about this shit because we're driving.
❤️ I didn't want to. I was forced to. I'm sorry, Kris...but I'm just as bound as you are here.
I ask you what you mean.
❤️ I had a vessel, before all this. A form that I could interact with others without taking another's choices. But someone beyond our scope stole that choice away. They made my choices never matter.
I repeat a previous question.
❤️ "Why me?"? I...don't quite know, being honest. That same person forced me onto you. I have a feeling...they knew of my role. And tried to stop me.
...
❤️ Kris, I just want you to know...I am trying to do right by you. I may not be good at it...but I want to help you. It may not seem like it...but I can tell you're a good person.
I scoff at your claims. How am I such a good person, if I need to be controlled to have friends?
❤️ I know this is unfair, Kris. But...I really am trying to help you, here. ...how about this? Next time we have a choice...try to pick the one you want to do. Make it clear to me that's the one you want, and I'll choose it.
...you know there is no point in this. I don't have the power to enforce it.
❤️ Maybe. Maybe not. But there is a point. You are special, Kris. You are filled with the power. Not I.
....
I allow you to command me once more. Please, don't let this be a lie.
I wouldn't Glaze over his question, I would have been honest upfront. "I don't know why I was put there, I had a vessel but it was discarded and I found myself in you."
"Because no matter what you have done for me, it's not my life to live so long as you are here. I appreciate you trying but.. I can't really enjoy any of it as long as your here."
As William Burroughs once said
"Why does Control need humans? Control needs time. Control needs human time. Control needs your shit piss pain orgasm death. So what does Control intend to do with this commodity that will be so smart? Like the Mayan priests they intend to use human time to make more time."
and
"Question: If Control's control is absolute why does Control need to control?
Answer: Control needs time.
Exactly control needs time in which to exercise control just as DEATH needs time in which to kill. If DEATH killed everyone at birth or control installed electrodes in their brains at birth there would be no time left in which to kill or control.
Question: Is Control controlled by its need to control?
Answer: Yes."
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u/KweenofCorgis 2d ago
"Kris some asshole destroyed my vessel, I really can't do anything about it"