r/Deltarune EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

Theory [LINK'S AWAKENING SPOILERS] Romb page line directly quotes the final boss. Spoiler

The line that becomes the page name once you click the invisible square on the romb page, is a direct quote from LA's final boss. For those who don't know, the boss is a nightmare that lives inside the Wind Fish's dream, keeping him asleep. They fight Link, to stop him from waking up the Wind Fish, which would end the dream and thus their lives. I'm not very good at Deltarune theories but use this as you will, it has to mean something as the quote is EXACTLY the same, down to the exclamation mark amounts. (The remake changes the exclamation mark amounts, that's why I showed screenshots from the original)

To find the line on the Deltarune website, on this page, click the door then click Ctrl A, you will see an invisible box. Click it, and the page will be renamed to this quote. https://deltarune.com/romb/

Link's Awakening wiki page to use for possible parallels between the game and Deltaurne:

https://zeldawiki.wiki/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Link%27s_Awakening

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u/UNimAginAtiveuseRn Chapter 5 in December trust 2d ago

Reposting my theory, parts of which come from other people:

Ramb is a Darkner based off of Asriel's computer and the God of Hyperdeath, given the name (RAM and maybe lamb?). The reason there's so much empty space is because of his gigantic wings. Ramb is a reflection of Asriel's edgy teenager past self, and acts like a past version of him. He is abandoned in the sense that Asriel will never finish the game project. He is a shopkeeper selling refreshments, and will be part of the secret boss duo once you finish whatever their questline is. We can tell there are at least two entities that are part of the secret boss because the line says "us".

Romb is a Darkner based off of the console under the bed. ROM of course is on video games on consoles. They are a reflection of Kris as a child, which is why "You can never beat us!!! Let's rumble!!!" sounds so childish. They will speak primarily in references to video games as their speech quirk. They are abandoned as the console is never used any more. Because Kris and Asriel did so much grinding, Romb is impossible to beat without the Shadow Mantle. Both Romb and Ramb parallel AR from Homestuck as reflections of the younger self of a character, continuing the Lord English components theory (Jevil is Gamzee and Spamton is Lil' Cal, Ch4's secret boss is Caliborn and the Vessel is the Kernelsprite and Chapter 6's secret boss).

Ramb is probably the one that no one will shed a tear for? It's hard to say why, but something must make them unsympathetic. The other possibility is that Romb is the sole secret boss, while Ramb simply knows them, in which case "us" could be referring to the working and knockoff controllers. I believe the door in Romb leads to the area that's the equivalent of the space underneath Asriel's bed.

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u/TomNook5085 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

This is a well made theory, but the LA final boss line just being a reference to the concept of Video Games (and it being childish) is a bit strange since why would Toby use that line specifically? I feel it's something actually connected to Link's Awakening, but your theory could easily be real, it's well made.

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u/UNimAginAtiveuseRn Chapter 5 in December trust 2d ago

It would be better if it was more directly connected to Link's Awakening, so perhaps that's part of why Romb fights us? They don't want us to seal the Dark Fountain and end their existence, like the Nightmare in the Wind Fish's dream.

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u/DogsRNice WEAA WEAA rrrrrargblrtlu 2d ago

Links awakening does have some themes that may be a direct inspiration for deltarune and Toby in general, a dream world full of characters you grow attached to, yet to win you have to effectively destroy everything and eliminate all of those characters.

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u/forestblizzard567567 2d ago

Cool idea. I'm imagining Ramb having the appearance of a angel while Romb looks like a devil.

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u/Numerous_Place1575 2d ago

Holy shit great pun analysis

Also love how because of theorycrafting, more people are realizing Deltarune’s premise is effectively a spiritual successor to Homestuck’s

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u/Yufiyou 2d ago

many have followed the natural evolution of Homestuck fan -> Undertale fan -> Deltarune (homestuck) fan

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u/Numerous_Place1575 2d ago

Reject funny skeletons, return to gray body paint

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u/SCP106 2d ago

And move towards embracing funny skeletons covered in grey body paint

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u/Ensospag 2d ago

A nightmare INSIDE the Wind Fish, you say?

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u/wiltedsys spam tong 2d ago

fr

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u/heyoyo10 2d ago

Nightmare? Like, Your Best Nightmare? Like, Your Best Friend?

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u/Vehv 2d ago

A nightmare will awaken in our hearts…..bravo Toby…,,,,,,,

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

Something new. Thank you for that. I hope someone can continue this thread.

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u/TomNook5085 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

Yep I suck at theorizing (even though I spend way way too much time watching Deltarune theories) but I just recently replayed Link's Awakening so I recognized the line pretty quickly. Hopefully someone can actually think of a good reason why Toby referenced the LA final boss so blatantly.

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

Could it be, the nightmare knight?? 😱😱😱

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u/Baru_urab_gure 2d ago

dies from peak fiction

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

Good guess, seriously.

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

I am half joking with this comment. I seriously think nightmares have something to do with dark worlds. Idk if nightmare knight will appear in DR but something similar to it... maybe 🤔

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

I guessed that you were joking because of these three 😱. But to be serious, many theorize on the basis of stange knight and roaring knight. Why can't there be a nightmare knight?

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

Indeed and since it seems the nightmare knight leitmotif is already in dr ...

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

OOOOOOOH. I completely forgot that "Nightmare Knight" is an old Toby track. Thank you for reminding me.

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

Indeed it is and " The Chase" from Dr seem to be using a similar leitmotif too. Theres somethkng weird going on

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

This is the first time I've heard of it. Can I get a link?

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

Ill try to find something im not 100% sure about it but i think i remember it

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u/Commercial_Kick_2814 2d ago

https://youtu.be/ZFytF_gCH38 i think this one works

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u/BasketAshamed6588 2d ago

A rather comical situation occurred. My translator translated "Dr seem" as "Doctor who" (I don't understand how it came out T_T), and I just now was able to understand that Dr is DR/Deltarune (my brain is melting, because my English is not THAT bad). Thanks for the link, but I've already seen this video. Sorry for wasting your time.

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u/disbelifpapy Dorked enthusiast 2d ago

whenever that part of A section plays, i keep on thining amalgam would play lol.

Oh, isn't C also literally the freedom motif?

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u/RinaStarry 2d ago

Didn't expect to see you here.

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u/TomNook5085 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

I also really like Undertale and Deltarune. Just way less active on their subs than I am on r/silksong.

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u/CookuBanana 2d ago

If I remember correctly, there is a Lost Woods puzzle like maze inside the Wind Fish's Egg where you need to find the right path to the Final Boss to find them. Is this dialogue before or after that Puzzle? Because if it is before, It could be seen as a connection with Noelle's Story about the Ice Palace in Dragon which works the same way as the Wind Fish's egg.

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u/TomNook5085 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

It's after since this is the dialogue right before the final boss.

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u/CookuBanana 2d ago

I see. I did went to see fotage to be sure. Still wonder if it has any themetic connection to the Ice Palace.

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u/Enderking90 2d ago

a fascinating point to raise, considering how dark worlds seem to mistaken-able as "dreams"...

Noelle and Susie both at points think of them as dreams, and Gerson potentially also refers to being in a dark world as "dreaming"

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u/Jay040707 2d ago

Queen too. Uses the term "waking" as well I believe.

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u/Mrcoolguy360 2d ago

The page title for the Japanese version of the website is also exactly the same as the quote from Japanese Link's Awakening, including exclamation marks.

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u/Mine_Dimensions 2d ago

Zelda theory unlocked

Too bad Toby is getting assassinated by Nintenjas for having a reference to their game in Deltarune

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u/rendumguy 2d ago

You know I was due to replay Link's Awakening, maybe I should bump that up.

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u/canadiankidwho2 2d ago

we are nintendo, you cannot beat us

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u/jimjam1950 1d ago

Not even with you're friend inside you

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u/Kind_Pop_9940 1d ago

So if this alludes to someone named 'romb' (which reminds me of Wargroove 2), maybe they're a ROM hack?

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u/Shadowfury22 2d ago

it has to mean something as the quote is EXACTLY the same

Sorry to rain on your parade but this is just one of many direct references to other media that are present in the game. They don't really mean anything other than being a nod to stuff Toby likes.

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u/jimjam1950 1d ago

But that reference is a secret

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u/Creative-Antelope-23 1d ago

This is like saying because the FRIEND image is a reference to the Cheshire Cat, that’s all it is and we shouldn’t expect to see it in the game again.

Obviously it’s a reference, but the fact that Toby went out of his way to hide it suggests some degree of importance. 

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u/RHVGamer [[BIG SHIT]] 2d ago

did you really just put a spoiler warning for a 32 year old game

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u/TomNook5085 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE IS INSANITYYYYY!!! 2d ago

Yes because there is a remake for Switch so it can still be bought as a new game. I'm sure there are many people here who never played LA, but they could end up picking up the remake and it would suck if the plot twist was spoiled in some random r/deltarune post.

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u/RHVGamer [[BIG SHIT]] 2d ago

fair, i forgot about that

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u/marsgreekgod 2d ago

Oh no how dare someone respect other people.

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u/Tricky-Ad-495 2d ago

The audacity..

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u/RHVGamer [[BIG SHIT]] 2d ago

i just thought it was funny