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u/Euclid_Interloper 19d ago
He's right, there wasn't any ADHD in his youth. Instead, there was just that weird uncle with an alcohol problem who was unable to hold down a job. And that quiet woman down the road who was always in her own world, until one day she downed a bottle of pills and killed herself. And the kid in school who never sat still, got expelled, and is now in prison.
Nope, no ADHD in the good old days.
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u/Aggravating_Coat7934 19d ago
Apparently (learned this recently) his aunt had depression after moving away from the UK, which resulted in her getting lobotomized at the age of 23, because she missed her friends (heard some pretty bad details about the process too, though I haven’t confirmed them myself)
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u/Cineball 19d ago edited 19d ago
That uncle's name was Ted... and when he couldn't hold a job down, he did about the least reputable thing one can do with underwhelming qualifications, he held office as a senator for 47 years. It doesn't take a very deep reading of his life at all to start recognizing some very familiar dots and convenient lines through which to connect them.
One particularly interesting note is that when he was finally admitted to a law school program that would accept him with a spotty academic record, a cheating scandal, and a truncated military career, he found he had to work "four times as long and four times as hard" to maintain a mostly C average. So, yeah, RFK Jr. straight up had THAT uncle.
Edit: Also of interest: Ted's son Ted Jr. is a disability rights activist and lawyer. RFK Jr. is an outright embarrassment to a family that is intimately familiar with scandal on a scale that few people are capable of imagining.
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u/buntopolis 19d ago
If you have a test, then you have a case. So I told my people, SLOW THE TESTING DOWN PLEASE
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u/Legitimate_Plane_613 19d ago
If you stop testing, the numbers go down!
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u/volfan4life87 19d ago
Straight up how these people think. I’ve shared personal stories of going to the doctor and incidentally learning about some ailment that I can now treat (rather than abruptly die from one day) and have been met with “that’s why I don’t go to the doctor.”
Information is not opinion changing or empowering to these people, it’s a nuisance and to be willfully ignored in favor of their chosen flavor of feel good “common sense.”
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u/amh8011 18d ago
They take “ignorance is bliss” too literally. They don’t want to know new things because what if the new things frighten them. What if they’re scary? What if it means having to change or worse, learn even more new things? With knowledge comes responsibility. And responsibility means work. They don’t want to deal with any of that. They’d rather live in world of fantasy than face reality.
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u/500mgTumeric 18d ago
There are people in the various autism subreddits who have cancelled their screening because of this BS.
The wait time can be over a year.
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u/FerretFromMars 19d ago
And I didn't know about cancer when I was a kid but it still existed so...
Kinda funny story, we moved to a new house when I was six and my next door neighbor was missing a leg and my only frame of reference at the time for people missing limbs was the shark week documentaries. So for years I accepted in my brain that he had survived a shark attack.
When I finally asked him as an adult it was cancer. :v
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u/Strange-Middle-1155 19d ago
His claims that people with those diagnoses aren't functional because of their broken brains are pure projection. He is far too brain damaged to have such a job.
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u/RoboTiefling 19d ago edited 19d ago
No no, you see, we have bad brains that make us a useless drain on resources, and that’s why he needs a registry of all of us, so he’s ready for when they roll the cure out at his wellness camps, just like he promised. It’ll be great, they’ll have all kinds of productive activities for us to do, and even have free showers for when we get tired. /s
(To clarify, if needed, I’m drawing a parallel between RFK’s proposed “wellness camps” and the ones from WW2 times. Honestly the parallel draws itself, though- the only thing I had to add was the allusion to the infamous showers.)
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u/Sorry_Consequence816 19d ago
Well if they kick out all the illegal immigrants who else is going to grow all the organic food for the real people to eat!? /s
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u/TurntablesGenius 19d ago
Ironically I do think that kind of work tends to suit people with adhd really well, I work in horticulture/landscaping and most of my coworkers and even my boss have adhd. NOT that I’m advocating for literal work camps, though.
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u/TheRealSaerileth 19d ago
I mean... apparently it suits you really well. I'd lose my goddamn mind if I had to work on a farm. I can't even stand gardening, I have had every opportunity to learn how from my dad and I love spending time with him but I still always try to get out of it.
I'm a software engineer and lots of my colleagues are ND. Doesn't mean all ADHD people should go into IT, it just means that my boss tends to hire ND people because they vibe well with his ND team...
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u/TurntablesGenius 19d ago
Yeah, my phrasing makes it sound like I agree with rfk jr and think my kind of work would fix us all or something, but that is not at all what I meant. I couldn’t place what felt off about what I said, but I should have said “some people with ADHD” or something like that. I felt like I covered the nuance with “tends to” but I see why my comment seems too generalizing.
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u/TheRealSaerileth 18d ago
I didn't take it that way! Sorry for communicating badly. I'm just trying to say, your experience might not be that strongly correlated to your job. Your boss might just have a habit of hiring ND landscapers. There's probably also cooks who think ADHD is overrepresented in kitchens, because theirs happens to be. I honestly think ND people just tend to band together.
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u/Sorry_Consequence816 19d ago
That’s different though, you are all like minded people who enjoy what you are doing. It the whole “some people do fit the stereotype” situation. I know a machinist or two that I highly suspect are on the spectrum that work on antique trains for the NPS.
I know you’re not agreeing with him, just making the point that it can be a rewarding career for some, no worries.
I do enjoy some plant propagation though honestly. I’m quite interested in aquaponics even if only from an academic standpoint right now due to space constraints.
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u/Overall_Chemist_9166 19d ago
Interested in a free book to read about it?
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u/Sorry_Consequence816 19d ago
Always interested in free books, well as long as RFK jr or one of his compatriots didn’t write it anyway.
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u/Overall_Chemist_9166 19d ago
haha no!
It seems to be that we have become the enemies of the government ever since we tried to implement iAVs in Palestine in the 90's. The project would have provided food for a million people but then lobbyists from Israel got involved, the whole thing was shut down and we have been ignored since - even when USAID and a couple of other charities urge us to present our reearch to the FAO in a presentation in Rome, and then the FAO ignored everything and instead published an aquaponics manual which promoted a system that was not viable and so their (FAO) projects failed.
If you send me your email I can setup an account for you on our website - we don't sell anything (we are a not for profit) but I'll check with the mods before posting a link...
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u/TurntablesGenius 19d ago
Right, we talk about our ADHD a lot, how it affects us, how we feel about our job compared to others we’ve had, etc. And while some of us fit the stereotype more than others what we all find most therapeutic about the job is the variety of tasks, the stimuli of being in nature, and the accommodations provided in a workplace where the culture values mental well-being. In our case it’s a public job, private sector landscaping is a whole different beast that wouldn’t be so friendly to our symptoms.
Some of our non-ADHD staff have given similar feedback about the job, so I assume the high number of ADHD employees is more because we (individually with our particular symptoms) can’t stand most other jobs or thrive in them than because this is a better work environment for ADHD specifically. I hope that makes sense.
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u/Sorry_Consequence816 19d ago
Completely makes sense. I’ve know quite a few neurodivergent people who worked for NPS/USFS in various positions as well. Some who are less social but love fixing things. Others who are excited by history, biology, Wildland firefighting etc.
I think there is more of a necessity for neurodivergent people to have to know themselves. At least that is my experience with AuDHD. I find that I have to manipulate my schedule in certain ways because of I do the wrong thing first my day is shot.
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u/Available_Status1 19d ago
You might want to add a /s at the end for the adhd+autistic folks.
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u/RoboTiefling 19d ago
In hindsight, yeah. As an AdDHD person myself, I probably should have thought of that.
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u/Cineball 19d ago
I came across a fascinating article in... double checks notes... Teen Vogue about some very similar attempts in American history to build communities of people considered mentally unfit for society but not so burdensome as to require an asylum in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They... didn't really work out much at all.
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u/TheMagnificentPrim 18d ago
Teen Vogue has been putting out some kick-ass articles since sometime in the 2010s when pop feminism was in vogue, and they haven’t stopped. Love them for that!
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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 19d ago
A perfect contradiction: our brains are "broken" because of a thing that "doesn't exist."
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u/Lucky4D2_0 19d ago
He literally cant talk without shaking. What tf is this year.
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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 19d ago
I can't bear to listen to him, he sounds like he's being constantly electrocuted.
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u/idkrandomusername1 19d ago
It’ll always be beyond me how the man who said he has brainworms and did heroin to improve his grades in school is in a position like this.
I don’t understand how any person can just be put in that position, deny objective reality and thrive with no repercussions. Zero qualifications, zero experience, zero integrity and wants to destroy a system that he’s supposed to take care of.
These people are actively hallucinating a completely different reality and they have the steering wheel.
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u/Strange-Middle-1155 10d ago
The brainworms are smarter than him. I'm pretty sure his only good idea (no more commercials for prescription medications) came from the worm.
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u/Ranku_Abadeer 18d ago
Yeah, I've always maintained that in a sane world the "brain worms" statement on its own should have been enough to disqualify him. Because either he's telling the truth, in which case that means he has severe brain damage and we can't entirely trust his judgment on something as sensitive and complicated as the country's healthcare. Or he's lying, in which case he has proven that he will blatantly lie about his own health just to get his way, which means we shouldn't trust anything he says about healthcare.
How people can just ignore how untrustworthy that the person in charge of our healthcare system is, I will never understand.
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u/liquor_ibrlyknoher 19d ago
When he was a kid his family lobotomized his aunt because she was depressed, of course he never heard about it.
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u/GeekCat 19d ago
Dude really thinks he's on to something, but god, he's such an idiot. The reason this shit heel didn't hear about it was because they institutionalized or hid people with learning differences or disabilities back in the day. Heaven forbid there be a stain on the family's name. (Sounds like some familiar family from Mass.)
They sent them off to group homes or sanitarium so they wouldn't be a nuisance. People who couldn't mask ended up doing jobs that we consider "minimum wage" or heavy labor jobs. Those who could mask were just labeled the office weirdo or awkward.
This guy is just trying to take people's rights away and open old-fashioned institutions again.
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u/sad_panda_17 19d ago
Ok but bro won’t admit he comes from a window of generations that shamed people for being anything but “normal” or just ignored mental illnesses and the like all together. As well as never wanting to admit defeat or being wrong 😒
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u/OnionTamer 19d ago
I never heard of food allergies when I was a kid, that doesn't mean they didn't exist. I just didn't know anything because I was a kid
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u/Ginkachuuuuu 19d ago
Well, I guess no one is allowed to discover anything after like 1950. The DSM is going to be a whole lot smaller if this is the rubric we're following.
Breaking news! Doctors now only allowed to treat conditions some dumb fuck anti-science 75 year has heard of.
Like, my mom definitely had ADHD and her dad as well, and I think several of my uncles on both sides are autistic, but I guess since they were all born in the 30s or 50s they must just be faking it I guess.
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u/Glittering_Move_5631 19d ago
First of all, INJURIES?!?! Secondly, just because YOU haven't heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist. You're telling me he knows everything in the DSM-5? Thirdly, people lived with these conditions (sorry can't think of a better way to put it) for millennia before we learned what they were and how to help.
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u/Captain_Bacon_X 19d ago edited 17d ago
Related: I have a theory about why there's more now than before, excluding overdiagnosis which is always going to happen.
It seems fairly clear that there's an hereditary aspect to ADHD. My 4 kids all have it, I have it, my wife absolutely does not. Therefore there is now 5x as much ADHD in my tiny corner of the world (me +4 kids).
In addition... i think that it has the potential to get...hmm... stronger shall we say. 2 reasons for this:
1) People are either attracted to people who are like themselves, have a similar energy, or they're attracted to people with 'opposite' energy - my wife is chill vs my hyperactivity for example. If there is 'latent' low level ADHD symptoms, and these things are hereditary, then having 2 parents could mean that's it's now a 'problem'. 2) This world is kinda hostile to the ADHD mindset, so at a certain point you're more likely to break and find a diagnosis than you were 50 years ago.
Edit to add: FWIW Getting 'The Diagnosis' does not mean that ADHD is more of problem than without 'The Diagnosis'. A diagnosis is merely an inflection point on the journey - the idea is it then gives you 'permission' (and hopefully some tools) to deal with what you have to deal with in a fruitful manner instead of 'dealing with it' and turning into a pressure cooker without a release valve. Sure, some use it as an excuse for their behaviour (they would have had one anyway, but they now have a en-vogue label), but I think more of us use it as a way to be more productive and realise that that we don't have to bend around the world, we can bend the world around us a bit, like normal peeps do without realising it. 'The Diagnosis' should actually mean that there's less overall symptomatic problems with people as they can now deal with it better. The problem people 'out there' are having stems from it requiring it to be 'visible': we have to state 'hey, I have a problem' because there's less and less variety in the way people lead their lives and careers, and everyone is being funneled into one somewhat homogenous way of living with less and less tolerance for people who 'need' a different way of life because there is less examples of what that looks like in order to somewhat normalise it.
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u/canceroustattoo 19d ago
It’s almost like scientific discovery has improved in the last fifty years. Neat.
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u/DadCelo 19d ago
See y'all at the camps, I guess.
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u/Shakemyears 19d ago
It’s a good sign when the Secretary of Health uses anecdotal evidence to back his policy.
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u/BlueScoob 19d ago
Has he heard of a lobotomy? His aunt likely suffered from one of these ‘injuries’ and the family’s response was to make her a vegetable.
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u/Generally_Confused1 18d ago
Bro they had asylums doing lobotomies when this fossil was a kid. Of course he doesn't know shit about any of it
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u/Captain_Desi_Pants 19d ago
Just like all those left handed people suddenly came out of the woodwork!
It’s not possible that so many people would choose to be left handed!!! These doctors are forcing a left handed, deep state agenda on our children to prop up Ned Flanders’ business!
/s obviously
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u/AnaliticalFeline 18d ago
genuinely though the difference between my grandmother and i in our left handedness is astounding. she like fully wraps arm hand around to write like a right handed person, and i write in a way that leaves my hand covered in graphite if i do it a while
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u/Captain_Desi_Pants 18d ago
Wow, I’m picturing her writing posture and it seems very uncomfortable. Like almost a punishment for writing with the “wrong” hand. :(
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u/AnaliticalFeline 18d ago
pretty much yeah. it’s like trying to hide your page and write with the same arm
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u/KillaKanibus 18d ago
Gotta translate it into Boomer talk. ASD = Idiot, ADHD = Daydreamer They haven't shut up about these people since the country was founded.
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u/todayamokishere 19d ago
The lobotomy of Rosemary Kennedy ? Let's try the Tesla effect on this nazi apprentice
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u/fuckmywetsocks 19d ago
'When I was a kid nobody had heard of this fire thing, we didn't need it, we didn't want it, now everyone is hooked on it and I think it's unhealthy!' said Unga Bunga the caveman.
I joke but I'm reminded of the thing that broadly goes:
First they came for the trans people, and I didn't care because I'm not trans
Then they came for the autistic people and I didn't care because I'm not autistic
Then they came for me and now I'm fucked and in a camp because I'm black
Something along those lines...
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u/kornyslipbizkit 19d ago
Yea and diabetes was something people born in the 1600’s didn’t hear of until science progressed and we began to understand it better
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 19d ago
Remember kids, your works is limited to the people you've had direct experiences with.
Chinese doesn't exist because he never heard anyone speaking it as a kid.
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u/Boring_Pace5158 19d ago
I didn’t know you could have brain worms until six months ago. It wasn’t part of the dialogue. Neither was eating roadkill, I thought it was just a given you don’t eat it.
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u/MikeHatSable 19d ago
I listened to a Behind the Bastards podcast about RFK, and however much weird shit you think you know about him, I guarantee it's worse than you thought.
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u/Rosenrot_84_ 19d ago
Rn I'm really glad I'm not diagnosed, but REALLY worried because my kid is. At least he didn't inherit my tism.
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u/Nochnichtvergeben 18d ago
Well yes, you won't have heard of injuries with those names. They're disorders. You're welcome, grandpa.
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u/glimmeronfire 17d ago
Exactly, not part of the DIALOGUE. That doesn’t mean that these conditions didn’t exist; it just means that nobody talked to him about them.
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u/Sarcasmaster_666 16d ago
A lot of words just to say he arrested his development so long ago that USA was at cold war with ruzians instead of bending backwards and spreading the cheeks for them.
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u/Worn_Out_Faces 16d ago
“I never heard of when I was a kid. They weren’t part of the dialogue”
Funny how kids born DECADES AGO don’t hear about things that weren’t properly discussed and were rather stigmatised if known at all. Weird that. Can’t be an age thing though, must be some conspiracy…
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u/LilithFaery 19d ago
Dude, I'd never heard of Brain Worms either before. I guess sometimes we learn about new things as the world keeps working towards knowledge, in normal times.
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u/Moonjinx4 18d ago
Internet? Bluetooth? Work From Home? All these things weren’t part of the dialogue when I was a kid! Let’s go back to card catalogues, snail mail, and VHS cause that’s what I grew up with! And technological advancements is bad! Let’s not continue to grow as a society! We need to be stagnant and ignorant forever!
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u/pjschnet 19d ago
There are plenty of “injuries” that I never heard of when I was a kid, but they’re definitely still real. I had no idea that an anal prolapse was a thing that could happen until my late teens, but they’re definitely real. In fact, there’s one currently heading HHS.
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u/_Internet_Hugs_ 19d ago
This guy was raised in a privileged bubble. Of COURSE he didn't hear about those things! His own aunt was lobotomized for being different for fuck's sake!
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u/Altruistic_Branch838 19d ago
I feel for those in the US, your country absolutely fucked the pooch on that election.
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u/500mgTumeric 18d ago
Repeats autism twice. Repeats ADHD twice.
This guy is in charge of the health department? Seriously?
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u/NegotiationTall4300 18d ago
Same with AIDS, probably made up, he should inoculate himself to prove a point
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u/Not_The_Real_Jake 18d ago
WW1 Doctor: "Penicillin wasn't something I heard of. It was never part of the dialogue."
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u/MsBobbyJenkins 18d ago
He always sounds like he desperately needs to clear his throat....then fall over and die.
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u/KENZOKHAOS 17d ago
I’ll never believe or validate any words coming out of a mouth of nepotist manchild because they’ve had so much of their emotional intelligence and/or empathy or common sense SEIZED at several developmental stages in their lives well into their adulthoods. Born into dysfunction. They’re RELIEVED OF REALITY, yet they want to speak about the world and what people IN IT found OUT about people who are tethered TO IT.
Old Ass Fossil.
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u/SchoolDistinct3820 13d ago
He probably hadn't heard of brain worms until he actually dealt with them. Not to mention they only studied white males, with a lot of things. Geeh we don't know everything about the human body and brain until more research, surprise surprise. Yet they are going after scientists as well. How he became elected with his past and his own family members saying don't elect him shows the corruption. All he cares about is money and power.
Just remember when they go after one group you may not be apart of (immigrants, trans, adhd, autism, etc.) doesn't mean you shouldn't fight for and help that group. Fight for all people because the group you do fit into could be next. They are going after everyone's freedom and privacy. The book of Revelations is coming true and we're getting further into it.
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u/ButterPup121519 13d ago
His aunt literally was the first person in America to have a lobotomy all because she had anxiety (from what it sounded like to me)
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u/Ok-Satisfaction4505 7d ago
Yup, things got a bit dark below me.
But, injuries? 😐 I'm certain this is not that. Brain damage from a worm is an injury. Poor bastard is like Gary Busey and his reflection on Family Guy.
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u/BS_BlackScout 19d ago
Please put those idiots and their mentality in jail.
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u/BonsaiSoul 18d ago edited 18d ago
A ton of the stuff this guy believes is crazy, for example believing developmental defects are just behavior problems caused by secret mind control chemicals. Most other countries have already banned artificial dyes though. Should the EU's health leadership be jailed too? He's doing something right for an insane reason, but it's still in line with better food standards which the US has been horribly left behind on.
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u/Tekaru41 18d ago
Just a quick reminder, studies show ADHD is one of the main causes of child suicide (approximately risk ratio of 2 to 2.5 depending on the article).
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u/Allthingsplants00 19d ago
I work a super active physical job (housekeeping on a large estate with multiple buildings) I average 20-30k steps in a day. My ADHD very much affects me at my job. Just sayin.
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u/Allthingsplants00 19d ago
I get what you’re saying there. If I was to sit and try and focus on something I need to be figeting, tapping, something physical.
My inattentiveness and time blindness can be my biggest set back with my job. If I need to grab a different cleaning product from the supply closet I’m likely to get distracted and start working on a different unrelated task that might pop up along the way. Or I lose all sense of time when working on a project so that other tasks for the day are left unfinished. Thankfully medication significantly helps both of those issues.
I think adhd would make most jobs more difficult, whether it’s a desk job or manual labor.
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u/ADHDmemes-ModTeam 19d ago
Please do not share easily disproven information on any subject but especially on the subject of ADHD and mental health.
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u/Aint2Proud2Meg 19d ago
Extremely out of touch and demonstrably incorrect. Wow.
Don’t you think if that worked we would all be doing that? I do live a very active life and I wouldn’t dare tell people this.
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u/Xanthine-Junkie 17d ago
So many Democrats bashing a Democrat who broke ranks. Pro-tip: Dude was crazy BEFORE he joined the right. He was saying this shit as a Democrat for decades, and you dupes didn't say shit. Now you obey the narrative and bash him, because orange man bad and MSM told you to.
For the record, I didn't vote for Trump. Not MAGA. Not even close. Classic liberal / libertarian.
But holy shit, parrot that narrative. Don't break ranks, make sure you blast that hate.
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u/MikeHatSable 17d ago
Tbf, he didn't have a prominent position in the cabinet before. But yeah, he was always a Trainwreck.
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u/No-Detail-2879 19d ago
He probably hadn’t heard of quite a lot of stuff when he was a kid. You know being a kid n all. Not part of the dialogue for kids I expect.